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Goose at FL 360????
There was an article in outdoor magazine last summer about how high birds
fly and it mentioned their O2 ability to "recirculation" to get max 02 and that migrating birds do change altitude based on headwind/tailwind I once dodged, not that I moved much other than flinching, a soaring raptor at FL210 in SW Wyoming. I was in a B-52 and the co-pilot and I both saw it. In response to another posting in "how do they know what it was?", yes, they do take DNA samples from evidence left behind, along with tell tale feathers etc. Had to do that one night after missing a snow owl on a ILS approach. He left a grease trail and some feathers down the side of the B-1. BT "A Lieberman" wrote in message ... On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 07:09:56 -0500, Peter R. wrote: The whole time of useful consciousness apparently is not an issue with a goose? I wonder what gives a goose's lungs the ability to extract o2 at that altitude? In addition to what Peter wrote above, I wonder what gives the goose the ability to even survive the extreme cold temperatures. O2 was my first thought and temp came secondary. Or the ability to maintain lift at that altitude since the air would be quite thin? I know goose down clothing are warm, but are Geese that tough? Allen |
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Goose at FL 360????
A Lieberman wrote:
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 07:09:56 -0500, Peter R. wrote: The whole time of useful consciousness apparently is not an issue with a goose? I wonder what gives a goose's lungs the ability to extract o2 at that altitude? In addition to what Peter wrote above, I wonder what gives the goose the ability to even survive the extreme cold temperatures. O2 was my first thought and temp came secondary. Or the ability to maintain lift at that altitude since the air would be quite thin? I know goose down clothing are warm, but are Geese that tough? Have you ever gotten near a goose, especially one with goslings? They are tough as nails and mean to match. I've seen geese take on a German Shepherd. Matt |
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Goose at FL 360????
In a previous article, "BTIZ" said:
etc. Had to do that one night after missing a snow owl on a ILS approach. He left a grease trail and some feathers down the side of the B-1. I wouldn't call that "missing", myself. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ "SPARC" is "CRAPS" backwards --Rob Pike |
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Goose at FL 360????
Geese have been sighted flying over Mt Everest (29,035')
Mike MU-2 "A Lieberman" wrote in message .. . Is the following for real or is there a typo? Geese in Class A airspace??? Allen ------------ IDENTIFICATION Regis#: UPS28 Make/Model: B757 Description: B-757 Date: 11/03/2005 Time: 2325 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Unknown LOCATION City: COLORADO SPRINGS State: CO Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT, UPS28, A B757, ENROUTE FROM SDF TO MHR, STRUCK A GOOSE AT FL360. ACFT DESCENDED TO FL280, DUE TO THE WINDSHIELD BEING CRACKED AND CONTINUED ON TO DESTINATION. PILOT DID NOT DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. OVER COLORADO SPRINGS, CO INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 4 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: NOT REPORTED OTHER DATA Activity: Business Phase: Cruise Operation: Air Carrier |
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Goose at FL 360????
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
... In a previous article, "BTIZ" said: yes... they can get that high.. taking advantage of the jet stream would be my guess Note the location was Colorado Springs. Maybe it got pushed that high by a mountain wave and wasn't any happier about it than the 757 was. Probably a lot less happier about the outcome... The goose was a terrorist! Maybe Homeland Security should figure out how to equip the geese with transponders to reduce bird strikes and the possibility of spreading bird flu. ;-) |
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In article .com,
"John" wrote: not to mention flying (for birds) is high metabolism work . . .. how do they make it work that high I believe I read long ago that there are migratory birds of some variety that make a (nonstop?) migratory flight from the Indian Ocean across the Himalayas, including flying higher than Everest. Apparently bird metabolism allows some substantial sustained flight at altitudes above where humans can even maintain life long term . . .? |
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Goose at FL 360????
Those old Grumman's can really fly, can't they?
I wonder if it was converted from round engines to turbines? You would think ATC would have warned each of the aircraft about conflicting traffic based on the transponder returns. Usually, there are two NTSB postings, one for each aircraft, when a mid-air collision between two aircraft occur. No N-number on the Grumman Goose? :-)) Is the following for real or is there a typo? Geese in Class A airspace??? Allen ------------ IDENTIFICATION Regis#: UPS28 Make/Model: B757 Description: B-757 Date: 11/03/2005 Time: 2325 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Unknown LOCATION City: COLORADO SPRINGS State: CO Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT, UPS28, A B757, ENROUTE FROM SDF TO MHR, STRUCK A GOOSE AT FL360. ACFT DESCENDED TO FL280, DUE TO THE WINDSHIELD BEING CRACKED AND CONTINUED ON TO DESTINATION. PILOT DID NOT DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. OVER COLORADO SPRINGS, CO INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 4 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: NOT REPORTED OTHER DATA Activity: Business Phase: Cruise Operation: Air Carrier |
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In article ,
A Lieberman wrote: Is the following for real or is there a typo? Geese in Class A airspace??? Not that surprising. An Alaska Airline 727 took a salmon strike a few years back. -- Dale L. Falk There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing around with airplanes. http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html |
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Goose at FL 360????
"BTIZ" wrote in message newsa4bf.2746$zu6.38@fed1read04... There was an article in outdoor magazine last summer about how high birds fly and it mentioned their O2 ability to "recirculation" to get max 02 and that migrating birds do change altitude based on headwind/tailwind I once dodged, not that I moved much other than flinching, a soaring raptor at FL210 in SW Wyoming. I was in a B-52 and the co-pilot and I both saw it. In response to another posting in "how do they know what it was?", yes, they do take DNA samples from evidence left behind, along with tell tale feathers etc. Had to do that one night after missing a snow owl on a ILS approach. He left a grease trail and some feathers down the side of the B-1. BT They don't actually pay you to fly those incredible planes so they? ----------------------- DW |
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Goose at FL 360????
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:31:03 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
wrote: Geese have been sighted flying over Mt Everest (29,035') Mike MU-2 From Audubon's website: http://magazine.audubon.org/birds/birds0011.html Michael |
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