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Old August 31st 19, 08:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Jonathan St. Cloud
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Not sure how accurate FB translate is, but it appear as if Mr. Kawa had some sort of incident with an electric motor not working and a rough uphill landing. Gas, electric or jet be careful guys!
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Old August 31st 19, 09:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 8:31:32 PM UTC+1, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
Not sure how accurate FB translate is, but it appear as if Mr. Kawa had some sort of incident with an electric motor not working and a rough uphill landing. Gas, electric or jet be careful guys!


As I read it from google translate the pylon didn't make contact with the upper limit switch. He hit an unseen hump on a steep uphill landing bounced, lost energy because of the uphill trajectory and dropped in tearing off the undercarriage
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Old August 31st 19, 11:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 3:31:32 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
Not sure how accurate FB translate is, but it appear as if Mr. Kawa had some sort of incident with an electric motor not working and a rough uphill landing. Gas, electric or jet be careful guys!

Link?
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Old September 1st 19, 07:43 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 11:10:50 PM UTC+1, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 3:31:32 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
Not sure how accurate FB translate is, but it appear as if Mr. Kawa had some sort of incident with an electric motor not working and a rough uphill landing. Gas, electric or jet be careful guys!

Link?


I only found a brief report on his Facebook page - a short description with half-a-dozen photos. My reading is that he got stuck in a long valley and deployed the motor at about 1,000m AGL, the boom deployed but the motor failed to run. He landed on what looked like the best field but found it was rougher than it looked as well as steeply uphill. After touchdown, a hump sent him airborne, but because of the uphill landing was unable to regain flying speed and it fell in from about 2 meters, breaking both wheels.

He says that all major airframe components were undamaged apart from the gear. The tone of his post sounds a bit embarrassed, but this is exactly the sort of accident that can happen to any one of us in a field landing.

Mike
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Old September 2nd 19, 08:30 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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From tvn24, translated with Google:


Glider pilot and multiple world champion Sebastian Kawa was hospitalized after an accident during a competition in Italy. - Sebastian is feeling well and left the hospital at his own request - his father Tomasz Kawa informed on TVN24. The pilot's father explained that the bad weather on the Apennine Peninsula had contributed to the accident. It is about the storms occurring there, which impede visibility during glider flight. - Storms closed Sebastian over an area where there are no landing places - he said. "It threw him into the air high over a dozen meters" - The glider has calculated emergency or accidental landings, but it was a very unfavorable system. Sebastian happily spotted a piece of grass-covered slope, but when he came in contact with the ground, and you need to land at an increased speed, about 130 kilometers per hour, he hit a kind of threshold on an aircraft carrier, threw him into the air a dozen meters high (... ) was in a vertical configuration, at an angle of about fifty degrees and hung without speed - he explained. - Luckily, this glider dropped symmetrically, but with such energy that the landing gear broke down, the hull was also damaged, the pilot was affected by the appropriate forces, but the athletic, young body somehow endured it and it's ok - he added. As Tomasz Kawa said, medical aid "had no chance" to get to the scene of the accident. The glider and pilot were downloaded by themselves, and then Kawa went to the hospital. Multiple world champion in gliding 46-year-old Sebastian Kawa is the most successful pilot in history. He has a dozen or so world championship titles, as well as, among others, two gold of the World Aviation Games and seven European championship titles. Author: mjz // kg / Source: tvn24 (http://www.tvn24.pl)
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Old September 2nd 19, 10:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 9:43:04 AM UTC+3, Mike the Strike wrote:
On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 11:10:50 PM UTC+1, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 3:31:32 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
Not sure how accurate FB translate is, but it appear as if Mr. Kawa had some sort of incident with an electric motor not working and a rough uphill landing. Gas, electric or jet be careful guys!

Link?


I only found a brief report on his Facebook page - a short description with half-a-dozen photos. My reading is that he got stuck in a long valley and deployed the motor at about 1,000m AGL, the boom deployed but the motor failed to run. He landed on what looked like the best field but found it was rougher than it looked as well as steeply uphill. After touchdown, a hump sent him airborne, but because of the uphill landing was unable to regain flying speed and it fell in from about 2 meters, breaking both wheels.

He says that all major airframe components were undamaged apart from the gear. The tone of his post sounds a bit embarrassed, but this is exactly the sort of accident that can happen to any one of us in a field landing.

Mike


Seen it million times during big competitions, flying into unlandable terrain trusting you find next thermal or engine works. Of course everything is fine 99% of the time. And then bad day happens and you end up with that 1%. It shouldn't and definately doesn't happen to anyone of us, if you follow the very basic principle of all gliding flights: YOU GOT TO HAVE A PLACE TO LAND. This is hammered so hard to the brains of every flight student that it takes hundreds of flight hours to forget.
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Old September 2nd 19, 12:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, September 2, 2019 at 2:03:39 AM UTC-7, krasw wrote:
On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 9:43:04 AM UTC+3, Mike the Strike wrote:
On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 11:10:50 PM UTC+1, Andrzej Kobus wrote:
On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 3:31:32 PM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
Not sure how accurate FB translate is, but it appear as if Mr. Kawa had some sort of incident with an electric motor not working and a rough uphill landing. Gas, electric or jet be careful guys!
Link?


I only found a brief report on his Facebook page - a short description with half-a-dozen photos. My reading is that he got stuck in a long valley and deployed the motor at about 1,000m AGL, the boom deployed but the motor failed to run. He landed on what looked like the best field but found it was rougher than it looked as well as steeply uphill. After touchdown, a hump sent him airborne, but because of the uphill landing was unable to regain flying speed and it fell in from about 2 meters, breaking both wheels.

He says that all major airframe components were undamaged apart from the gear. The tone of his post sounds a bit embarrassed, but this is exactly the sort of accident that can happen to any one of us in a field landing.

Mike


Seen it million times during big competitions, flying into unlandable terrain trusting you find next thermal or engine works. Of course everything is fine 99% of the time. And then bad day happens and you end up with that 1%. It shouldn't and definately doesn't happen to anyone of us, if you follow the very basic principle of all gliding flights: YOU GOT TO HAVE A PLACE TO LAND. This is hammered so hard to the brains of every flight student that it takes hundreds of flight hours to forget.


Mr Kawa is an awesome pilot. If he can make a mistake anyone of us can too. Maybe we should all take a few moment stand down and ask ourselves, have we attempted an engine start not over laudable terrain, have we flown into a corner with only one option that must work or else?
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Old September 2nd 19, 01:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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At 07:30 02 September 2019, Tim Taylor wrote:
From tvn24, translated with Google:


Glider pilot and multiple world champion Sebastian Kawa was

hospitalized
af=
ter an accident during a competition in Italy. - Sebastian is feeling

well
=
and left the hospital at his own request - his father Tomasz Kawa

informed
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on TVN24. The pilot's father explained that the bad weather on the
Apennine=
Peninsula had contributed to the accident. It is about the storms
occurrin=
g there, which impede visibility during glider flight. - Storms closed
Seba=
stian over an area where there are no landing places - he said. "It

threw
h=
im into the air high over a dozen meters" - The glider has

calculated
emerg=
ency or accidental landings, but it was a very unfavorable system.
Sebastia=
n happily spotted a piece of grass-covered slope, but when he

came in
conta=
ct with the ground, and you need to land at an increased speed,

about 130
k=
ilometers per hour, he hit a kind of threshold on an aircraft carrier,
thre=
w him into the air a dozen meters high (... ) was in a vertical
configurati=
on, at an angle of about fifty degrees and hung without speed - he
explaine=
d. - Luckily, this glider dropped symmetrically, but with such

energy that
=
the landing gear broke down, the hull was also damaged, the pilot

was
affec=
ted by the appropriate forces, but the athletic, young body

somehow
endured=
it and it's ok - he added. As Tomasz Kawa said, medical aid "had

no
chance=
" to get to the scene of the accident. The glider and pilot were
downloaded=
by themselves, and then Kawa went to the hospital. Multiple world
champion=
in gliding 46-year-old Sebastian Kawa is the most successful pilot

in
hist=
ory. He has a dozen or so world championship titles, as well as,

among
othe=
rs, two gold of the World Aviation Games and seven European

championship
ti=
tles. Author: mjz // kg / Source: tvn24 (http://www.tvn24.pl)


The central mountain ridge system in Italy is tough for out landings.
The land has been handed down and subdivided among the heirs
over many generations, leaving mostly small fields available. The
ground is hard clay, and they plow it using bulldozers to pull the
plows. The clay is turned up in hard clay clumps about a foot in
diameter. When I flew in Rieti at the 1985 WGC, we had glider off
field landing carnage all over.

RO


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Old September 2nd 19, 09:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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krasw wrote on 9/2/2019 2:03 AM:
Seen it million times during big competitions, flying into unlandable terrain trusting you find next thermal or engine works. Of course everything is fine 99% of the time. And then bad day happens and you end up with that 1%. It shouldn't and definately doesn't happen to anyone of us, if you follow the very basic principle of all gliding flights: YOU GOT TO HAVE A PLACE TO LAND. This is hammered so hard to the brains of every flight student that it takes hundreds of flight hours to forget.

I don't think we should assume he intentionally flew out reach of landable
terrain. The remarks quoted by Tim Taylor suggest the weather changed much faster
than expected, leaving him with only poor choices.

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Old September 3rd 19, 05:52 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Looking at the photo of the field, I would have accepted it as a difficult but doable option. The rest is the inherent risk of outlanding.
 




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