Read This Carefully please; word for word

I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash
videos on the newsgroups. I've pasted in below word for word the exact
quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally. Aside from the
personal comment the photographer makes to me, which is fine, and fully
within his right to do so in defense of his position, please note his
GENERAL FEELINGS about race pilots and airshow pilots, and after reading
his general comment about pilots like myself, ask yourself if this
person is, as he has said, involved in his hobby of crash photography
simply because he "loves" aviation? Ask yourself about his frame of
thinking as he's watching pilots like myself do a demonstration. Then
ask yourself how he feels about me as he's taking that video!
Thank you for your time,

From Iwan Bogels to me below;

I don't have to put up with the opinion of some
hypocrite
pilot who is involved in demonstration flights and air races, intended
to
push flying to the limit. If it wasn't for guys like you, about 50% of
all
crash videos would have never been shot because the crashes simply
didn't
occur.

Flying is relatively safe, but pushing flight to the limit for the fun
of it
just isn't. Don't complain if something goes wrong when guys like you
are
willingly taking more risk than necessary during air races and
demonstration
flights. And stop pointing fingers at people who are interested to see
thrilling aviation just because it simply exites them. Pilots like you
provided it to them in the first place!

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
ink.net...
I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash
videos on the newsgroups. I've pasted in below word for word the exact
quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally. Aside from the
personal comment the photographer makes to me, which is fine, and fully
within his right to do so in defense of his position, please note his
GENERAL FEELINGS about race pilots and airshow pilots, and after reading
his general comment about pilots like myself, ask yourself if this
person is, as he has said, involved in his hobby of crash photography
simply because he "loves" aviation? Ask yourself about his frame of
thinking as he's watching pilots like myself do a demonstration. Then
ask yourself how he feels about me as he's taking that video!
Thank you for your time,

From Iwan Bogels to me below;

I don't have to put up with the opinion of some
hypocrite
pilot who is involved in demonstration flights and air races, intended
to
push flying to the limit. If it wasn't for guys like you, about 50% of
all
crash videos would have never been shot because the crashes simply
didn't
occur.

Flying is relatively safe, but pushing flight to the limit for the fun
of it
just isn't. Don't complain if something goes wrong when guys like you
are
willingly taking more risk than necessary during air races and
demonstration
flights. And stop pointing fingers at people who are interested to see
thrilling aviation just because it simply exites them. Pilots like you
provided it to them in the first place!

I read it just fine the first time around. What is your issue exactly?

John

"John Mullen" wrote in message
...

I read it just fine the first time around. What is your issue exactly?

John

Although I posted this in an obvious negative context, it isn't really
supposed to illicit feelings that favor my position per se. Actually, as
far as these groups are concerned, my position isn't all that relevant
anyway. You would have to be a member of the race or airshow community
to fully appreciate the impact of what the photographer has said here.
His statement has to be viewed in contrast to his prior stated views
that explained his reasons for engaging in crash photography.
I expect no particular favorable or unfavorable responses to my posting
his words here. Some will agree there is a problem with this guy and
some like yourself will see no problem at all with what he has said
here.
It's simply put out here in the "food for thought" department, and
perhaps to allow those of you who are not in our community to see why we
don't particularly like this kind of thing. Nothing more..nothing less,
and surely nothing expected in the way of positive return from those of
you outside our community.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired

For personal email, please
replace the at with what goes there and
take out the Z's please!
dhenriquesZatZearthZlinkZdotZnet

In article . net,
"Dudley Henriques" wrote:

I read it just fine the first time around. What is your issue exactly?

John

Although I posted this in an obvious negative context, it isn't really
supposed to illicit feelings that favor my position per se. Actually, as
far as these groups are concerned, my position isn't all that relevant
anyway. You would have to be a member of the race or airshow community
to fully appreciate the impact of what the photographer has said here.
His statement has to be viewed in contrast to his prior stated views
that explained his reasons for engaging in crash photography.
I expect no particular favorable or unfavorable responses to my posting
his words here. Some will agree there is a problem with this guy and
some like yourself will see no problem at all with what he has said
here.
It's simply put out here in the "food for thought" department, and
perhaps to allow those of you who are not in our community to see why we
don't particularly like this kind of thing.


You have thus far not stated why you don't like "this kind of thing".



--Mike

"Michael Wise" wrote in message
...

You have thus far not stated why you don't like "this kind of thing".



--Mike

Simply read the thread "aviation videos on line" from the beginning if
you're at all interested. If not, simply pass on it. It should be self
explanatory.

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired

For personal email, please
replace the at with what goes there and
take out the Z's please!
dhenriquesZatZearthZlinkZdotZnet

In article . net,
"Dudley Henriques" wrote:

You have thus far not stated why you don't like "this kind of thing".



Simply read the thread "aviation videos on line" from the beginning if
you're at all interested. If not, simply pass on it. It should be self
explanatory.


I did read it, and it isn't self explanatory...so I'll ask you a second
time: what exactly is it you object to?


--Mike

"Dudley" == Dudley Henriques writes:

Dudley "John Mullen" wrote in message
Dudley ...

I read it just fine the first time around. What is your issue
exactly?

John

Dudley Although I posted this in an obvious negative context, it
Dudley isn't really supposed to illicit feelings that favor my
Dudley position per se. Actually, as far as these groups are
Dudley concerned, my position isn't all that relevant anyway. You
Dudley would have to be a member of the race or airshow community
Dudley to fully appreciate the impact of what the photographer
Dudley has said here. His statement has to be viewed in contrast
Dudley to his prior stated views that explained his reasons for
Dudley engaging in crash photography. I expect no particular
Dudley favorable or unfavorable responses to my posting his words
Dudley here. Some will agree there is a problem with this guy and
Dudley some like yourself will see no problem at all with what he
Dudley has said here. It's simply put out here in the "food for
Dudley thought" department, and perhaps to allow those of you who
Dudley are not in our community to see why we don't particularly
Dudley like this kind of thing. Nothing more..nothing less, and
Dudley surely nothing expected in the way of positive return from
Dudley those of you outside our community. Dudley Henriques
Dudley International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/
Dudley CFI Retired

I hope there is no silly fued brewing (I can't make head or tail of
this discussion or lack thereof). As far as I'm concerned, people are
interested in aviation for different reasons - here are a bunch or
people interested in military aviation which is basically about
killing people and destroying things for the good of .... what? (It
depends on your beliefs I suppose) For someone to be interested in
crashes is really a minor issue I think. As far as I can assess,
Mr. Bogels is a fine photographer who travels around the world meeting
and interacting with other aviation photographers and airshow buffs,
and makes his photos available on an excellent website (he also offers
a wonderful photodeveloping service for buffs that really makes the
hobby cheaper).

As for Dudley, from previous posts I have seen great stuff on topics I
know nothing about, giving me great insight into flying and what
drives people to it (I don't have a flying licence). That you two do
not agree on something that for some reason or other you feel strongly
about should not make a dent in the wonderful resource that is this
newsgroup.

Let's not get into a firefight about this.

Best regards, Gernot
--
G Hassenpflug * IJN & JMSDF equipment/history fan

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 20:55:56 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:

I recently posted a strong objection to a photographer pushing crash
videos on the newsgroups. I've pasted in below word for word the exact
quoted text of a post below addressed to me personally. Aside from the
personal comment the photographer makes to me, which is fine, and fully
within his right to do so in defense of his position, please note his
GENERAL FEELINGS about race pilots and airshow pilots, and after reading
his general comment about pilots like myself, ask yourself if this
person is, as he has said, involved in his hobby of crash photography
simply because he "loves" aviation? Ask yourself about his frame of
thinking as he's watching pilots like myself do a demonstration. Then
ask yourself how he feels about me as he's taking that video!
Thank you for your time,


The question I have is "Who gives a ****?" If you don't want to see
it then don't go there.