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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... "John Clonts" wrote in message ... Ok, then I'm asking you: "Is the turn around the hold legally required here?" I don't think so. A procedure turn is "the maneuver prescribed when it is necessary to reverse direction to establish an aircraft on the intermediate approach segment or final approach course." Obviously it isn't necessary to reverse direction in this case. Part 91 states when a procedure turn may not be flown, it has not a word on when a procedure turn must be flown. I see what you mean, and that makes sense to me. But the sentence following that one in AIM 5-4-8a. is "The procedure turn or hold in lieu of procedure turn is a required maneuver." What do you suppose is meant by that? Or do you invoke "the AIM is not regulatory" to dispatch it? Thanks, John Clonts Temple, Texas N7NZ |
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I'm aware of the normal T type GPS approaches, having flown off
a Garmin 300XL for the last few years. But there's plenty of these around too. With a normal 1/2 mile or so lead I use on those turns (same as on a T type) you can come out right on top of the final approach segment. OW "Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:24:43 GMT, "Otis Winslow" wrote: wrote in message ... Apparently, the gentlemen is of limited clues. ;-) GPS approaches that have course reversals have them at the intermediate fix, not the FAF. Limited clues? I don't think so. You need to get out around the country more. I've seen lots of those. Here's one that comes to mind where I made a fuel stop heading up to Colorado a while back. Seems to me that the FAF, IAF, and course reversal are all at the same waypoint on this one .. as I've seen on lots of them. And it sure isn't an overlay. http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/publis...s/06555G35.PDF That's an interesting approach in the context of our discussion. It's not really the TAA type GPS approach, but something else. For standard TAA's, where there is a five mile intermediate segment prior to the final segment, a turn at the IF is allowed up to, I think, 102°. In the approach you reference, arriving at COTTU on a 90° intercept at 3000' and then turning towards the airport, at slow speeds you would probably be safe. But I'd be concerned about the narrower surveyed protected area on the final segment that might bite me during the turn. Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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"John Clonts" wrote in message ... I see what you mean, and that makes sense to me. But the sentence following that one in AIM 5-4-8a. is "The procedure turn or hold in lieu of procedure turn is a required maneuver." What do you suppose is meant by that? Or do you invoke "the AIM is not regulatory" to dispatch it? The AIM states in the preface, "This publication, while not regulatory, provides information which reflects examples of operating techniques and procedures which may be requirements in other federal publications or regulations." Who am I to argue with the AIM? |
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Otis Winslow wrote: I'm aware of the normal T type GPS approaches, having flown off a Garmin 300XL for the last few years. But there's plenty of these around too. With a normal 1/2 mile or so lead I use on those turns (same as on a T type) you can come out right on top of the final approach segment. Actually, the intermediate segment. |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:28:56 GMT, "Otis Winslow"
wrote: I'm aware of the normal T type GPS approaches, having flown off a Garmin 300XL for the last few years. But there's plenty of these around too. With a normal 1/2 mile or so lead I use on those turns (same as on a T type) you can come out right on top of the final approach segment. As I said, if you have a slow a/c, and everything works perfectly, you can get away with shortcuts to TERPS, and require less tolerances than they call for. But I would not do that. Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) |
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