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On 2006-08-08, Jose wrote:
That's one place where I disagree - top posting saves money. Although there may be a correlation between top posters and post trimming, it is the post non-trimming that costs money (to others), not the top posting. Actually, top posting saves money for those who, after reading your comments, don't need to read what you were referring to (because they remember it), and therefore don't need to download it KB by KB. News readers don't work like that unfortunately. When you select an article, the reader downloads the *whole* article, not just the bits of it you are reading. Therefore, a top post with an untrimmed set of quotes (usually, when top posters reply to top posters, you get an enormously long history of quoted material at the bottom). Unless the top poster trims the quoted material (which almost none of them do), you end up downloading their 5 line comment along with 300+ lines of quotes. The only occasion where someone reading Usenet would only download a bit of the article they are reading is if they are reading Usenet over an ssh connection to a remote server. However, the latency over GPRS is so bad, this is quite painful - so anyone reading Usenet using a mobile device will almost certainly use a news reader on their mobile device rather than an ssh connection to a remote system. -- Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid. Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de |
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News readers don't work like that unfortunately. When you select an
article, the reader downloads the *whole* article, not just the bits of it you are reading. This is not true for all software that accesses Usenet. My palm VIIx (rest in peace) did it a K at a time. My cell phone does the same, but even slower. (it's a perfectly awful way to read Usenet, so I don't do it, but that's irrelevant). Therefore, a top post with an untrimmed set of quotes (usually, when top posters reply to top posters, you get an enormously long history of quoted material at the bottom) Then your objection is =not= to top posting, but to non-trimming. Non-trimming is more painful in a bottom posted article - at least with a top posted article, once I come to the end of the original material, I can move on. While your association of top posters with non-trimmers may be valid, it is irrelevant. I've seen many bottom posters who add five lines to a 300+ line quote (and far too many nested quoting that ends up being 300 lines repeated for the most part post after post - supposedly good netiquette taken to the extreme - feh!) Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:26:27 -0000, Dylan Smith
wrote: On 2006-08-08, Jose wrote: That's one place where I disagree - top posting saves money. Although there may be a correlation between top posters and post trimming, it is the post non-trimming that costs money (to others), not the top posting. Actually, top posting saves money for those who, after reading your comments, don't need to read what you were referring to (because they remember it), and therefore don't need to download it KB by KB. News readers don't work like that unfortunately. When you select an article, the reader downloads the *whole* article, not just the bits of it you are reading. Therefore, a top post with an untrimmed set of quotes (usually, when top posters reply to top posters, you get an enormously long history of quoted material at the bottom). Unless the top poster trims the quoted material (which almost none of them do), you end up downloading their 5 line comment along with 300+ lines of quotes. The only occasion where someone reading Usenet would only download a bit of the article they are reading is if they are reading Usenet over an ssh connection to a remote server. However, the latency over GPRS is so bad, this is quite painful - so anyone reading Usenet using a mobile device will almost certainly use a news reader on their mobile device rather than an ssh connection to a remote system. Bottom posters do the same thing:-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Roger wrote:
Although there may be a correlation between top posters and post trimming, it is the post non-trimming that costs money (to others), not the top posting. Bottom posters do the same thing:-)) That is exactly what the Grand-Grand-Parent said. |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:39:52 +0200, "Anno v. Heimburg"
wrote: Roger wrote: Although there may be a correlation between top posters and post trimming, it is the post non-trimming that costs money (to others), not the top posting. Bottom posters do the same thing:-)) That is exactly what the Grand-Grand-Parent said. Hey! What gives? You trimmed off most of the post to which I was refering. Without it the rest just seems to lose meaning. :-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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