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Hectop,
Yeah, right. Off yer medication again, Thomas? No, but my BS detector went berserk, so I had to do something. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Capt.Doug,
regarding your subject line: The parachute is not meant to do that. The pilot is. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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C J Campbell wrote:
I wonder what his altitude was when he ran into trouble. Perhaps he was too low, or maybe he thought he could make an emergency landing safely. Guess we will have to wait for more details. Or he was working on the problem and neglected to actually fly the airplane. That was the story behind some airline crash in Florida, if memory serves. But, as you say, we don't know enough to do more than guess wildly. I suppose I should go with that theme and say it was a problem getting the plane into the alien spaceship's docking bay. - Andrew |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
No, but my BS detector went berserk, so I had to do something. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp 11 fatal accidents involving Cirrus SR-20/22 aircraft in last 4 years in the US alone... -- HECTOP PP-ASEL-IA http://www.maxho.com maxho_at_maxho.com |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Capt.Doug, regarding your subject line: The parachute is not meant to do that. The pilot is. That's the way it used to be. Now the pilot has a resignation handle. -- Gene Seibel Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html Because I fly, I envy no one. |
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Andrew Gideon wrote: That was the story behind some airline crash in Florida, if memory serves. An L-1011. The pilots were descending for approach into Miami. An idiot light came on, they started trying to trouble-shoot that, accidentally knocked the control column (which turned the autopilot off), and set down in the glades. The airline salvaged some of the plane and reused the pieces during maintenance of other aircraft in the fleet. The ghost of the flight engineer was said to haunt all of the planes that received these parts. I remember that it was quite a scandal in Atlanta at the time - a number of people quit the airline. Eventually all the parts were removed and destroyed. Years later, the made a movie of the incident. Starred Ernest Borgnine, as I recall. George Patterson The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise. |
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HECTOP wrote:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp 11 fatal accidents involving Cirrus SR-20/22 aircraft in last 4 years in the US alone... Doh! I hate it when people back statements up with data. Takes all the fun out the petty arguing back and forth :-) -- Jack Allison PP-ASEL, IA Student, Student Arrow Buyer "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return" - Leonardo Da Vinci (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail) |
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"Capt.Doug" wrote in message ... From the FAA website- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- " Regis#: 889JB Make/Model: SR22 Description: SR-22 Date: 01/15/2005 Time: 1723 Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Destroyed LOCATION City: COCONUT GROVE State: FL Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT REPORTED AVIONICS PROBLEMS AND CRASHED INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THE ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS FATALLY INJURED, COCONUT CREEK, FL" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Additionally, the aircraft had just come out of maintenance were the tanks were emptied. The investigators have not been able to find a fueling ticket. Did the parachute fail? Was there an attempt to deploy the parachute? |
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ... An L-1011. The pilots were descending for approach into Miami. An idiot light came on, they started trying to trouble-shoot that, accidentally knocked the control column (which turned the autopilot off), and set down in the glades. As I recall the problem was a light that failed to come on, the light indicating that the nose gear was down. |
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"Gene Seibel" wrote in message ups.com... That's the way it used to be. Now the pilot has a resignation handle. -- That's one way to look at it. Another is that this is simply one more back-up system to deal with certain failure modes that are otherwise unrecoverable. The real mistake is thinking that this will be a *huge* improvement to safety. The lay public thinks that if only people had parachutes (including on airliners), nobody would get killed in airplane accidents. To them, an airplane with a parachute should be 100% safe. In fact the types of accidents where this can help are relatively rare, as seen by the ratio of accidents to saves. I maintain that airbags, such as those being installed in new Cessnas, will do a lot more to reduce misery by helping in a far wider range of situations. But the smart thing obviously is to do both. If we're talking pilot incapacitation, structural failure, engine loss at night or over hostile terrain, the 'chute is a great option that will save some lives. It certainly won't kill anybody who didn't start digging their own hole. -cwk. |
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