About indentifiers....

wrote:

The problem I have is, there are aircraft that are mentioned in ADs. I
might be very interested in them (we are looking for a reasonable 6
place). But I don't know anything about them. How is one to know if a
plane is a single engine with 6 seats or a twin with 2 seats? Now if
they put a picture with their ad...

A common technique is to buy a book such as "The Illustrated Buyer's Guide to
Used Airplanes." Another common technique is to use your favorite search engine
to find the performance characteristics. As a last resort, you could call the
owner up and ask -- I've had one or two people do that. Of course, that *does*
mark you as a "tire-kicker", which can get in the way if you get serious about
the plane later.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

We were talking about not using A/P designators w/o giving some idea of
where the A/P is (e.g., HGR could be a VOR or A/P and is Hagerstown MD,
while CAK is Akron-Canton Ohio -- NOT Canton-Akron).

Along these lines, I thought I'd ask a partly related question.

I know what a PA28-180 is. I know what a P28A is (actually same
aircraft, just the new designator for the flight plans.

But to a new pilot that only has Cessna experience, do they know that
this is a Piper Cherokee? Or am I talking about an Archer?
Later,
Steve.T
PP ASEL/Instrument

Actually, no. If this is on the flight plan, it will be the accepted
designator for that a/c. And the expected cruise true airspeed.

However, what I'm talking about is how pilots identify themselves and
what they are flying.

e.g. "Akron approach, Tiger November 12345 over BRIGGS...."
And then there's "Kent traffic, Cessna November 54321, 10 south
east....", while someone else would say, "Akron-Fulton traffic, Skyhawk
98760, ...."

But this is also how some things are listed in ads. And I'm looking for
something that describes what is what.
Later,
Steve.T
PP ASEL/Instrument

Actually, no. If this is on the flight plan, it will be the accepted
designator for that a/c. And the expected cruise true airspeed.

However, what I'm talking about is how pilots identify themselves and
what they are flying.

e.g. "Akron approach, Tiger November 12345 over BRIGGS...."
And then there's "Kent traffic, Cessna November 54321, 10 south
east....", while someone else would say, "Akron-Fulton traffic, Skyhawk
98760, ...."

But this is also how some things are listed in ads. And I'm looking for
something that describes what is what.
Later,
Steve.T
PP ASEL/Instrument

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ups.com...
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I know what a PA28-180 is. I know what a P28A is (actually same
aircraft, just the new designator for the flight plans.

But to a new pilot that only has Cessna experience, do they know that
this is a Piper Cherokee? Or am I talking about an Archer?

Are you talking about posts on Usenet? If so, then I'd agree that spelling
out the type of aircraft is better than using the manufacturers model
number. That said, at least with Piper their designation actually gives you
some useful information (horsepower in particular) with which to estimate
performance.

If you're not talking about posts on Usenet, I still fail to see the
relevance.

ICAO identifiers:

www.aopa.org/whatsnew/icaoacdes.html

Actually, no. If this is on the flight plan, it will be the accepted
designator for that a/c. And the expected cruise true airspeed.

However, what I'm talking about is how pilots identify themselves and
what they are flying.

e.g. "Akron approach, Tiger November 12345 over BRIGGS...."
And then there's "Kent traffic, Cessna November 54321, 10 south
east....", while someone else would say, "Akron-Fulton traffic, Skyhawk
98760, ...."

But this is also how some things are listed in ads. And I'm looking for
something that describes what is what.
Later,
Steve.T
PP ASEL/Instrument