IDF-Apache firing missiles on 67yr old civilian in wheelchair- at Sabra mosque in Gaza...

"Jeroen Wenting" wrote :

Your kind of "justice" would have Osama bin Laden as president and Kim Il
Sung as his chief of police...

US has it's share in creating OBL and guys like him...

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"Nicky" wrote:

"Jeroen Wenting" wrote :

Your kind of "justice" would have Osama bin Laden as president and Kim Il
Sung as his chief of police...

US has it's share in creating OBL and guys like him...

Except that it didn't.

Osama bin Laden was "created" by the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and
was trained and funded by Middle Eastern states. The US was backing a
*different* crowd of guerillas in Afghanistan. You know - the ones who
*aren't* running around blowing up innocents around the world.

It's funny how often people try to blame the bad guys on the US, when
most of them came directly from failed *Soviet* programs and support.

There's a reason the signature weapons of terrorists are the AK-47 and
the RPG.

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In us.military.army Ragnar wrote:

Yes, how dare the Israelis attack known terrorists!!!

How does Israel figure that a blind and deaf man in a wheelchair is a threat
to a nuclear power?

Yassin was little more than a figurehead, and like the pope, probably couldn't
dress himself without help, much less plan a terrorist operation.

Actually, the best reports, from folks like the BBC, is
that he was the guy in charge, albeit in a CEO, not COO capacity.
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In us.military.army Ragnar wrote:

Yes, how dare the Israelis attack known terrorists!!!

How does Israel figure that a blind and deaf man in a wheelchair is a
threat
to a nuclear power?

You know, to me this sounds like the most bizarre line of
argument. Physical prowess aren't exactly important for a "leader".
It's not like FDR was going to drag you into an ally and beat you
to death either, but he sure was a danger to NAZI Germany.

"Nicky" wrote in message
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I think that is not major problem in this case. The problem is that they
don't care if they kill any civilians around.
They killed lot of civilians in this kind of assassination, but in lot of
cases they didn't kill the man they actually wanted to kill...

As opposed to killing a lot of civilians in cafes, discos, trains, buses etc
?

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In us.military.army Ragnar wrote:

Yes, how dare the Israelis attack known terrorists!!!

How does Israel figure that a blind and deaf man in a wheelchair is a
threat
to a nuclear power?

Well, for starters the guy was a planner and mastermind. Those guys NEVER
do the suicide dance - they convince other people to do it.


Yassin was little more than a figurehead, and like the pope, probably
couldn't
dress himself without help, much less plan a terrorist operation.

A "figurehead" is still a viable target. Tell me that offing the Pope
wouldn't have consequences.

"Chad Irby" wrote :
Except that it didn't.

Oh, Yes they did. You can not neglect the history,

Osama bin Laden was "created" by the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and
was trained and funded by Middle Eastern states. The US was backing a
*different* crowd of guerillas in Afghanistan. You know - the ones who
*aren't* running around blowing up innocents around the world.

US trained end equipted directly or indirectly the same people which were
later known as Talibans. During history US put to power (directly or
indirectly) lot of dictators, and trained lot of people who later bacem
terrorists.
That is the fat and ther is no argue about it.

It's funny how often people try to blame the bad guys on the US, when
most of them came directly from failed *Soviet* programs and support.

Soviets as also American and their cold war conflict producet lot od
dictators and terrorists.

There's a reason the signature weapons of terrorists are the AK-47 and
the RPG.

AK-47 is cheap, reliable and on the market for 50 years. It is also
produced in lot of countries so it is very easy to get.

"Nicky" wrote in message
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"Chad Irby" wrote :
Except that it didn't.



US trained end equipted directly or indirectly the same people which were
later known as Talibans.

No they trained and equipped the group that later became
The Northern Alliance and who were opposing the Taliban

In particular they supported Ahmed Shah Masood aka The Lion
of Panjshir who was assassinated by Al Qaeda suicide bombers
2 days before the Sept 11 terrorist attacks.

He was killed because they knew the US would turn to him
to lead the Afghan forces in any attempt to overthrow
the Taliban regime.

The Taliban emerged from the Pakistani ISI operations
and didnt appear on the scene until well after the Soviets
had withdrawn and the US lost interest in that country. The
one thing that the US and the rest of theWest can be blamed
for is not recognising earlier the threat to us posed by
the Taliban and their allies in Al Qaeda.

Keith

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"Oelewapper" wrote :
Admittedly, I am not very familiar with this particular kind of issues in
military aviation, but how can it be "legal" for the Israëli occupation
force to send out US-made Apaches, to launch a couple of missiles on a 67
year old crippled, half-blind and unarmed man, leaving a mosque in a
wheelchair after having said his dawn prayers ?? What about the pilot's
responsibility ??

And what about the countries that are supplying and financing those
governments that are responsible for these "evil" state-sponsored - yet
IMHO
completely unlawful - brutalities ??

I think that is not major problem in this case. The problem is that they
don't care if they kill any civilians around.
They killed lot of civilians in this kind of assassination, but in lot of
cases they didn't kill the man they actually wanted to kill...
So then it was a mistake for Hamas to wage a terrorist war on the
Jews instead of getting their own sovereign state?
Yassin is in Hell now, with eternity left on his sentence; deal
with it!


Michael

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"Nicky" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote :
Except that it didn't.

Oh, Yes they did. You can not neglect the history,

Well, I can *read* it. *You* can neglect it.

Osama bin Laden was "created" by the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and
was trained and funded by Middle Eastern states. The US was backing a
*different* crowd of guerillas in Afghanistan. You know - the ones who
*aren't* running around blowing up innocents around the world.

US trained end equipted directly or indirectly the same people which were
later known as Talibans.

Actually, the folks we backed were the guys the Taliban edged out to get
power after the USSR left. That's why the US didn't have any decent
connections in Afghanistan for 20 years.

During history US put to power (directly or indirectly) lot of
dictators, and trained lot of people who later bacem terrorists. That
is the fat and ther is no argue about it.

Funny how you can't seem to list "a lot" of them. We helped put some
dictators in, but I really can't think of any cases where we trained
folks who became world-class terrorists. The major players - PLO, Red
Brigades, et cetera - were all Soviet proteges.

Yeah, we backed some bad folks. But the thing to remember is that the
USSR was backing *worse* ones during the same time period. We also had
a tendency to train people how to fight wars, while the USSR defaulted
to training them how to commit acts of terror.

It's funny how often people try to blame the bad guys on the US, when
most of them came directly from failed *Soviet* programs and support.

Soviets as also American and their cold war conflict producet lot od
dictators and terrorists.

Look at the list, and get back to us. All of the worst folks around
right now are old Soviet clients.

There's a reason the signature weapons of terrorists are the AK-47 and
the RPG.

AK-47 is cheap, reliable and on the market for 50 years. It is also
produced in lot of countries so it is very easy to get.

Especially when the USSR gives them to you and shows you how to use them.

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