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EA-18G "Growler"
Even though it hasn't been fielded yet, the Navy is already eyeing
upgrades for the EA-18G. See: http://aviationnow.com/avnow/news/ch...s/JAM11095.xml |
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EA-18G "Growler"
There are limits to multirole capability. I still think the Rhino as tanker
is right up there with Alcoholic as bartender. R / John wrote in message oups.com... Even though it hasn't been fielded yet, the Navy is already eyeing upgrades for the EA-18G. See: http://aviationnow.com/avnow/news/ch...s/JAM11095.xml |
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EA-18G "Growler"
John,
Yet another illustration of the point that, just because you can do it, it doesn't mean that it was a good idea to begin with. Like hanging A/G rockets and gun pods on A-6s, among other follies. -- Mike Kanze "Inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened." - Terry Pratchett, "Moving Pictures" "John Carrier" wrote in message ... There are limits to multirole capability. I still think the Rhino as tanker is right up there with Alcoholic as bartender. R / John wrote in message oups.com... Even though it hasn't been fielded yet, the Navy is already eyeing upgrades for the EA-18G. See: http://aviationnow.com/avnow/news/ch...s/JAM11095.xml |
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EA-18G "Growler"
Mike Kanze wrote: John, Yet another illustration of the point that, just because you can do it, it doesn't mean that it was a good idea to begin with. Like hanging A/G rockets and gun pods on A-6s, among other follies. Or rocket pods on S-3A's. The lil flip up "sight" on the dashboard consisted of a 1"x 6" piece of plexi with lines inscribed on it, but since there was no corresponding mark on the windshield or allowance for pilot height, the entire concept had less to do with accuracy and more to do with a general feeling of futility. TLAR has been in use for decades, and in the S-3, this continued on into the somewhat modern era. I think the S-3 would have been the modern equiv of the TBD if the balloon ever went up during the cold war out at sea. Can you imagine VS-24 rolling in to attack a seriously defended anchorage, or warship with an AAW capability? With rockets?? Gruesome... v/r Gordon |
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EA-18G "Growler"
What other options does the Navy have for a new carrier-based EW
aircraft? The F-14's and S-3's aren't going to be around much longer. The EA-6B's are old and getting older. The JSF wouldn't be available in an EW version for a LONG time. U(C)AV's won't be ready for a mission like this for an even LONGER time. It seems like an F/A-18-based solution is the only option left, unless they want to rely on land-based aircraft (EP-8?) for EW support. Does the Navy have any better options than the Growler? |
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EA-18G "Growler"
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Does the Navy have any better options than the Growler? Probably not... However, that is solely because of the politics and economics of the Navy's failure to open the bid for the airplane to fair competition. That trend started with the F/A-18E/F, and continues. We continue to be saddled with a marginally aerodynamically suitable airframe for air-to-ground weapons delivery, a marginally fuel-[in]efficient fighter/fleet defense aircraft, and a potentially marginally effective EW platform because of it. Yep! It's fun to fly! Nope! It never met the specs! |
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Peter Stickney wrote:
True 'nuff, but they did go 1 for 1 vs. the Iraqi Navy. With the refueling store. (As I Understand It, they were loaded 1 Buddy Pod + 1 1,000# bomb for their refueling tracks. The War Hoover got called to deal with an Iraqi boat making a break for it. Apparently during the run, the Ports & Starbords got mixed up, and they dropped from the wrong pylon. (Oops!) They made up for it though, by bullseyeing the boat, and holing it from top deck to keel.) The way I recall it, the other pylon had a Rockeye rather than an iron bomb. Certianly clusters have been found effective against small surface cfraft, adn a whole lot easier to hit with than unitary bombs. The S-3s went a lot more than 1-for-1 in Gulf War 1. IIRC, that same S-3 had about a half-dozen bombing mission stencils next to the buddy store. Thomas Schoene |
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EA-18G "Growler"
Whoa there, Mike... Ičll agree with you that the gun was a bad idea, but the
rockets worked just fine. I shot a bunch on a MAARP det in fall 1991... somewhere in the vicinity of 5 sorties firing Zunis and 2.75 in every mode we could think of except General Loftthat seemed like a bad idea. Even handed them off to the B/N in the chute for one hop. The jet was good at it and we got great hits. --Woody On 11/11/05 1:44 PM, in article , "Mike Kanze" wrote: John, Yet another illustration of the point that, just because you can do it, it doesn't mean that it was a good idea to begin with. Like hanging A/G rockets and gun pods on A-6s, among other follies. |
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EA-18G "Growler"
EA-18G "Growler"Woody,
Rockets are fun, I agree, but why burden Medium Attack (which had better things to do with its system) with a day-VMC mission when the SLUFs and the Bugs could do it as well / better? BTW, I have four evil Commie bus hulks on the B-17 range complex at Fallon to my credit, denied to the enemy by FFAR strikes. -- Mike Kanze "Inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened." - Terry Pratchett, "Moving Pictures" "Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message ... Whoa there, Mike... I'll agree with you that the gun was a bad idea, but the rockets worked just fine. I shot a bunch on a MAARP det in fall 1991... somewhere in the vicinity of 5 sorties firing Zunis and 2.75 in every mode we could think of except General Loft-that seemed like a bad idea. Even handed them off to the B/N in the chute for one hop. The jet was good at it and we got great hits. --Woody On 11/11/05 1:44 PM, in article , "Mike Kanze" wrote: John, Yet another illustration of the point that, just because you can do it, it doesn't mean that it was a good idea to begin with. Like hanging A/G rockets and gun pods on A-6s, among other follies. |
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