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  #51  
Old April 16th 21, 10:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Purists are from Pluto, Motorgliderists are from Mars - #2

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
Jonathan - having flown a motorglider, and having flown one cross country a few thousand miles, are different things. The latter would qualify him as having some experience. Just tooling around the airport once or twice doesn't count, certainly not enough to expound collectively about "mindset". Old Bob has been a prolific poster on OLC over the last couple of years, all in an ASW27 and 24 from the same airport, none in a motorglider, and most of the flights 200km which out west we would consider a local flight.
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Just to be clear. Have YOU ever owned and flown a motorglider or sustainer? Or have your opinions been formed with no personal knowledge.
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 11:35:42 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:29:42 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 4/14/2021 5:17 AM:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 12:08:52 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Wallace Berry wrote on 4/13/2021 6:32 PM:
The risk was the high chance of injury or death if the lift did not pan out . The pure gliders had no "Plan B" if they went into the hills and did not find lift. The motorgliders had a "Plan B". Yes, Plan B had risk, but less risk of landing out than the pure gliders. Isn't that a big part of the attraction of motorgliders?
What contest was this, and when? Why are you certain the motorglider pilots were actually
risking a potentially fatal crash if their motor didn't start? Or, could it have been just a
very lengthy retrieve that they avoided if the motor did start?

Crashing if the motor does not start is not part any "plan" of the motorglider pilots I know.
Once again, the attraction of self-launching motorgliders is launching when and where the pilot
chooses, and the greater certainty of getting home if the weather is misjudged.

If the motorglider offers a real competitive advantage, the top ten pilots in National contests
should be flying almost entirely motorgliders. I'm not aware of any study showing that, but
it'd be an interesting one to do, and shouldn't take much time or effort.

Another interesting exercise would be to ask each of the top ten pilots in several contests why
are/aren't they flying a motorglider.
--
Eric, you are making progress, yes, the sustainer and the self start both compensate for misjudgment, I would consider that a pretty big advantage over a purist. The purist cannot compensate for that type of mistake, we must deal with the situation at hand and at times suffer the consequences. The purist flies with a different mindset, reality sets in real quick and making decisions on should or should not has a different price to pay.
But, you are not making progress. :^)

No one disputes the convenience of having a motor to avoid landing out - that's the #2 reason
for getting a motorglider, as the motorglider pilots here (including me) have repeatedly
pointed out. What I was discussing above is the claim that it is a "huge" or "pretty big"
advantage for contest flying.

What I'm trying to understand is your reasons for making an issue of the motor, when you don't
fly contests (AFAIK). The US contest rules don't distinguish between them, the SSA doesn't have
separate record classes for them, so why do you manufacture division, when most of us don't
care, and are just happy to see someone show up at the airport and fly with us? Are you
trolling, lonely, uninformed, or ?

What I have pointed out is that there is a completely different mindset between the purist and the motorglider pilot, it kind of baffles me that so many MGP's are in disagreement with that theory. Very early on I stated that there should be consideration changes between MG vs the purist in OLC scoring. Not long ago a MGP flew with us and had engine problems, unfortunately or fortunately I was there to provide a tow. After the flight the MPG told me that they had to fly with a different mindset, I found that to be a very honest statement, actually I was impressed by the performance of the self launch glider.
Now I realize that you and J6 have real issues with my opinion, I hope that I have somewhat made you more cognizant of the mindset difference. When you make that trip to Florida please come to Vero Beach and fly with us old guys. Old Bob

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

Fitch, I am in your head, I certainly have captured your imagination, long before OLC we did it with a baragraph and turnpoint cameras. You are probably way too young to remember those days. I would really like to have you join me here in Florida for a nice fun flight somewhere deep into the swamp. Come on down, we will Gorilla Tape those motor doors shut and go on a nice safari that would even make Greenwell proud. I must really be in your head, ease up a bit Fitch, things could be worse, I could be flying one of those motorgliders. Motorgliders are like kissing your sister, you cold do better or you could do worse.
  #52  
Old April 16th 21, 10:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Purists are from Pluto, Motorgliderists are from Mars - #2

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:02:35 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
Jonathan - having flown a motorglider, and having flown one cross country a few thousand miles, are different things. The latter would qualify him as having some experience. Just tooling around the airport once or twice doesn't count, certainly not enough to expound collectively about "mindset". Old Bob has been a prolific poster on OLC over the last couple of years, all in an ASW27 and 24 from the same airport, none in a motorglider, and most of the flights 200km which out west we would consider a local flight.
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Just to be clear. Have YOU ever owned and flown a motorglider or sustainer? Or have your opinions been formed with no personal knowledge.
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 11:35:42 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:29:42 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 4/14/2021 5:17 AM:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 12:08:52 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Wallace Berry wrote on 4/13/2021 6:32 PM:
The risk was the high chance of injury or death if the lift did not pan out . The pure gliders had no "Plan B" if they went into the hills and did not find lift. The motorgliders had a "Plan B". Yes, Plan B had risk, but less risk of landing out than the pure gliders. Isn't that a big part of the attraction of motorgliders?
What contest was this, and when? Why are you certain the motorglider pilots were actually
risking a potentially fatal crash if their motor didn't start? Or, could it have been just a
very lengthy retrieve that they avoided if the motor did start?

Crashing if the motor does not start is not part any "plan" of the motorglider pilots I know.
Once again, the attraction of self-launching motorgliders is launching when and where the pilot
chooses, and the greater certainty of getting home if the weather is misjudged.

If the motorglider offers a real competitive advantage, the top ten pilots in National contests
should be flying almost entirely motorgliders. I'm not aware of any study showing that, but
it'd be an interesting one to do, and shouldn't take much time or effort.

Another interesting exercise would be to ask each of the top ten pilots in several contests why
are/aren't they flying a motorglider.
--
Eric, you are making progress, yes, the sustainer and the self start both compensate for misjudgment, I would consider that a pretty big advantage over a purist. The purist cannot compensate for that type of mistake, we must deal with the situation at hand and at times suffer the consequences. The purist flies with a different mindset, reality sets in real quick and making decisions on should or should not has a different price to pay..
But, you are not making progress. :^)

No one disputes the convenience of having a motor to avoid landing out - that's the #2 reason
for getting a motorglider, as the motorglider pilots here (including me) have repeatedly
pointed out. What I was discussing above is the claim that it is a "huge" or "pretty big"
advantage for contest flying.

What I'm trying to understand is your reasons for making an issue of the motor, when you don't
fly contests (AFAIK). The US contest rules don't distinguish between them, the SSA doesn't have
separate record classes for them, so why do you manufacture division, when most of us don't
care, and are just happy to see someone show up at the airport and fly with us? Are you
trolling, lonely, uninformed, or ?

What I have pointed out is that there is a completely different mindset between the purist and the motorglider pilot, it kind of baffles me that so many MGP's are in disagreement with that theory. Very early on I stated that there should be consideration changes between MG vs the purist in OLC scoring. Not long ago a MGP flew with us and had engine problems, unfortunately or fortunately I was there to provide a tow. After the flight the MPG told me that they had to fly with a different mindset, I found that to be a very honest statement, actually I was impressed by the performance of the self launch glider.
Now I realize that you and J6 have real issues with my opinion, I hope that I have somewhat made you more cognizant of the mindset difference. When you make that trip to Florida please come to Vero Beach and fly with us old guys. Old Bob

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

Fitch, I am in your head, I certainly have captured your imagination, long before OLC we did it with a baragraph and turnpoint cameras. You are probably way too young to remember those days. I would really like to have you join me here in Florida for a nice fun flight somewhere deep into the swamp.. Come on down, we will Gorilla Tape those motor doors shut and go on a nice safari that would even make Greenwell proud. I must really be in your head, ease up a bit Fitch, things could be worse, I could be flying one of those motorgliders. Motorgliders are like kissing your sister, you cold do better or you could do worse.

Fitch, I almost forgot, if I flew a motorglider I would have to cross dress and the guys at the gliderport would be really surprised at Old Bob. Usually I wear shorts a flowered shirt and flip flops. Do your high heels get in the way of tour rudder peddals? Old Bob
  #53  
Old April 17th 21, 12:59 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Purists are from Pluto, Motorgliderists are from Mars - #2

On 4/16/2021 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:02:35 PM UTC-4, wrote:

....tion"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

Fitch, I am in your head, I certainly have captured your imagination, long before OLC we did it with a baragraph and turnpoint cameras. You are probably way too young to remember those days. I would really like to have you join me here in Florida for a nice fun flight somewhere deep into the swamp. Come on down, we will Gorilla Tape those motor doors shut and go on a nice safari that would even make Greenwell proud. I must really be in your head, ease up a bit Fitch, things could be worse, I could be flying one of those motorgliders. Motorgliders are like kissing your sister, you cold do better or you could do worse.

Fitch, I almost forgot, if I flew a motorglider I would have to cross dress and the guys at the gliderport would be really surprised at Old Bob. Usually I wear shorts a flowered shirt and flip flops. Do your high heels get in the way of tour rudder peddals? Old Bob


You are not making a "safari" at Vero Beach seem very appealing.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"

https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

  #54  
Old April 17th 21, 02:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Purists are from Pluto, Motorgliderists are from Mars - #2

And someone upthread accused me of personal attacks.....

BTW, I soloed in gliders 52 years ago now, so not brand new to the sport.

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 2:30:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:02:35 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
Jonathan - having flown a motorglider, and having flown one cross country a few thousand miles, are different things. The latter would qualify him as having some experience. Just tooling around the airport once or twice doesn't count, certainly not enough to expound collectively about "mindset". Old Bob has been a prolific poster on OLC over the last couple of years, all in an ASW27 and 24 from the same airport, none in a motorglider, and most of the flights 200km which out west we would consider a local flight.
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Just to be clear. Have YOU ever owned and flown a motorglider or sustainer? Or have your opinions been formed with no personal knowledge.
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 11:35:42 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:29:42 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 4/14/2021 5:17 AM:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 12:08:52 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Wallace Berry wrote on 4/13/2021 6:32 PM:
The risk was the high chance of injury or death if the lift did not pan out . The pure gliders had no "Plan B" if they went into the hills and did not find lift. The motorgliders had a "Plan B". Yes, Plan B had risk, but less risk of landing out than the pure gliders. Isn't that a big part of the attraction of motorgliders?
What contest was this, and when? Why are you certain the motorglider pilots were actually
risking a potentially fatal crash if their motor didn't start? Or, could it have been just a
very lengthy retrieve that they avoided if the motor did start?

Crashing if the motor does not start is not part any "plan" of the motorglider pilots I know.
Once again, the attraction of self-launching motorgliders is launching when and where the pilot
chooses, and the greater certainty of getting home if the weather is misjudged.

If the motorglider offers a real competitive advantage, the top ten pilots in National contests
should be flying almost entirely motorgliders. I'm not aware of any study showing that, but
it'd be an interesting one to do, and shouldn't take much time or effort.

Another interesting exercise would be to ask each of the top ten pilots in several contests why
are/aren't they flying a motorglider.
--
Eric, you are making progress, yes, the sustainer and the self start both compensate for misjudgment, I would consider that a pretty big advantage over a purist. The purist cannot compensate for that type of mistake, we must deal with the situation at hand and at times suffer the consequences. The purist flies with a different mindset, reality sets in real quick and making decisions on should or should not has a different price to pay.
But, you are not making progress. :^)

No one disputes the convenience of having a motor to avoid landing out - that's the #2 reason
for getting a motorglider, as the motorglider pilots here (including me) have repeatedly
pointed out. What I was discussing above is the claim that it is a "huge" or "pretty big"
advantage for contest flying.

What I'm trying to understand is your reasons for making an issue of the motor, when you don't
fly contests (AFAIK). The US contest rules don't distinguish between them, the SSA doesn't have
separate record classes for them, so why do you manufacture division, when most of us don't
care, and are just happy to see someone show up at the airport and fly with us? Are you
trolling, lonely, uninformed, or ?

What I have pointed out is that there is a completely different mindset between the purist and the motorglider pilot, it kind of baffles me that so many MGP's are in disagreement with that theory. Very early on I stated that there should be consideration changes between MG vs the purist in OLC scoring. Not long ago a MGP flew with us and had engine problems, unfortunately or fortunately I was there to provide a tow. After the flight the MPG told me that they had to fly with a different mindset, I found that to be a very honest statement, actually I was impressed by the performance of the self launch glider.
Now I realize that you and J6 have real issues with my opinion, I hope that I have somewhat made you more cognizant of the mindset difference. When you make that trip to Florida please come to Vero Beach and fly with us old guys. Old Bob

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

Fitch, I am in your head, I certainly have captured your imagination, long before OLC we did it with a baragraph and turnpoint cameras. You are probably way too young to remember those days. I would really like to have you join me here in Florida for a nice fun flight somewhere deep into the swamp. Come on down, we will Gorilla Tape those motor doors shut and go on a nice safari that would even make Greenwell proud. I must really be in your head, ease up a bit Fitch, things could be worse, I could be flying one of those motorgliders. Motorgliders are like kissing your sister, you cold do better or you could do worse.

Fitch, I almost forgot, if I flew a motorglider I would have to cross dress and the guys at the gliderport would be really surprised at Old Bob. Usually I wear shorts a flowered shirt and flip flops. Do your high heels get in the way of tour rudder peddals? Old Bob

  #55  
Old April 17th 21, 12:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 9:03:34 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
And someone upthread accused me of personal attacks.....

BTW, I soloed in gliders 52 years ago now, so not brand new to the sport.
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 2:30:10 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:02:35 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
Jonathan - having flown a motorglider, and having flown one cross country a few thousand miles, are different things. The latter would qualify him as having some experience. Just tooling around the airport once or twice doesn't count, certainly not enough to expound collectively about "mindset". Old Bob has been a prolific poster on OLC over the last couple of years, all in an ASW27 and 24 from the same airport, none in a motorglider, and most of the flights 200km which out west we would consider a local flight..
On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Just to be clear. Have YOU ever owned and flown a motorglider or sustainer? Or have your opinions been formed with no personal knowledge.
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 11:35:42 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:29:42 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 4/14/2021 5:17 AM:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 12:08:52 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Wallace Berry wrote on 4/13/2021 6:32 PM:
The risk was the high chance of injury or death if the lift did not pan out . The pure gliders had no "Plan B" if they went into the hills and did not find lift. The motorgliders had a "Plan B". Yes, Plan B had risk, but less risk of landing out than the pure gliders. Isn't that a big part of the attraction of motorgliders?
What contest was this, and when? Why are you certain the motorglider pilots were actually
risking a potentially fatal crash if their motor didn't start? Or, could it have been just a
very lengthy retrieve that they avoided if the motor did start?

Crashing if the motor does not start is not part any "plan" of the motorglider pilots I know.
Once again, the attraction of self-launching motorgliders is launching when and where the pilot
chooses, and the greater certainty of getting home if the weather is misjudged.

If the motorglider offers a real competitive advantage, the top ten pilots in National contests
should be flying almost entirely motorgliders. I'm not aware of any study showing that, but
it'd be an interesting one to do, and shouldn't take much time or effort.

Another interesting exercise would be to ask each of the top ten pilots in several contests why
are/aren't they flying a motorglider.
--
Eric, you are making progress, yes, the sustainer and the self start both compensate for misjudgment, I would consider that a pretty big advantage over a purist. The purist cannot compensate for that type of mistake, we must deal with the situation at hand and at times suffer the consequences. The purist flies with a different mindset, reality sets in real quick and making decisions on should or should not has a different price to pay.
But, you are not making progress. :^)

No one disputes the convenience of having a motor to avoid landing out - that's the #2 reason
for getting a motorglider, as the motorglider pilots here (including me) have repeatedly
pointed out. What I was discussing above is the claim that it is a "huge" or "pretty big"
advantage for contest flying.

What I'm trying to understand is your reasons for making an issue of the motor, when you don't
fly contests (AFAIK). The US contest rules don't distinguish between them, the SSA doesn't have
separate record classes for them, so why do you manufacture division, when most of us don't
care, and are just happy to see someone show up at the airport and fly with us? Are you
trolling, lonely, uninformed, or ?

What I have pointed out is that there is a completely different mindset between the purist and the motorglider pilot, it kind of baffles me that so many MGP's are in disagreement with that theory. Very early on I stated that there should be consideration changes between MG vs the purist in OLC scoring. Not long ago a MGP flew with us and had engine problems, unfortunately or fortunately I was there to provide a tow. After the flight the MPG told me that they had to fly with a different mindset, I found that to be a very honest statement, actually I was impressed by the performance of the self launch glider.
Now I realize that you and J6 have real issues with my opinion, I hope that I have somewhat made you more cognizant of the mindset difference. When you make that trip to Florida please come to Vero Beach and fly with us old guys. Old Bob

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
Fitch, I am in your head, I certainly have captured your imagination, long before OLC we did it with a baragraph and turnpoint cameras. You are probably way too young to remember those days. I would really like to have you join me here in Florida for a nice fun flight somewhere deep into the swamp. Come on down, we will Gorilla Tape those motor doors shut and go on a nice safari that would even make Greenwell proud. I must really be in your head, ease up a bit Fitch, things could be worse, I could be flying one of those motorgliders. Motorgliders are like kissing your sister, you cold do better or you could do worse.

Fitch, I almost forgot, if I flew a motorglider I would have to cross dress and the guys at the gliderport would be really surprised at Old Bob. Usually I wear shorts a flowered shirt and flip flops. Do your high heels get in the way of tour rudder peddals? Old Bob


Fitch congratulations on being one of us old guys, my apologies are in order. I had completely mistaken you for one of the new MG generation glider pilots. Old Bob
  #56  
Old April 18th 21, 12:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Purists are from Pluto, Motorgliderists are from Mars - #2

On Saturday, 17 April 2021 at 12:53:45 UTC+1, wrote:
Fitch congratulations on being one of us old guys, my apologies are in order. I had completely mistaken you for one of the new MG generation glider pilots. Old Bob


Where I fly the new generation generally cannot afford motor gliders. I may have commented earlier that some of the folk flying motorgliders nowadays are the same folk who were rude about motorgliders 20 years ago.
  #57  
Old April 18th 21, 03:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Purists are from Pluto, Motorgliderists are from Mars - #2

On 4/17/2021 4:19 PM, waremark wrote:
On Saturday, 17 April 2021 at 12:53:45 UTC+1, wrote:
Fitch congratulations on being one of us old guys, my apologies are in order. I had completely mistaken you for one of the new MG generation glider pilots. Old Bob


Where I fly the new generation generally cannot afford motor gliders. I may have commented earlier that some of the folk flying motorgliders nowadays are the same folk who were rude about motorgliders 20 years ago.

I began flying motorglider about 25 years ago. Back then, unpowered
pilots would ask me "did you have to use the motor?" when sitting around
after flying, drinking a beer. Now, the question is "where did you go?".
Attitudes have changed lot since then, with motorgliders now accepted as
much as unpowered gliders, but unfortunately too expensive for many pilots.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"

https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
  #58  
Old April 19th 21, 12:29 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Purists are from Pluto, Motorgliderists are from Mars - #2

On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 10:17:08 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 4/17/2021 4:19 PM, waremark wrote:
On Saturday, 17 April 2021 at 12:53:45 UTC+1, wrote:
Fitch congratulations on being one of us old guys, my apologies are in order. I had completely mistaken you for one of the new MG generation glider pilots. Old Bob


Where I fly the new generation generally cannot afford motor gliders. I may have commented earlier that some of the folk flying motorgliders nowadays are the same folk who were rude about motorgliders 20 years ago.

I began flying motorglider about 25 years ago. Back then, unpowered
pilots would ask me "did you have to use the motor?" when sitting around
after flying, drinking a beer. Now, the question is "where did you go?".
Attitudes have changed lot since then, with motorgliders now accepted as
much as unpowered gliders, but unfortunately too expensive for many pilots.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"

https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1


Eric, not quiet as well accepted as you might think, go ahead and toot your own horn, but the purist are the real glider pilots. Old Bob
  #59  
Old April 19th 21, 01:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Eric, not quiet as well accepted as you might think, go ahead and toot your own horn, but the purist are the real glider pilots. Old Bob


Old Bob,
Thanks for the laugh. Tooting your own horn is a classic line as we all can see that "real glider pilots" would never do that.

Steve
  #60  
Old April 19th 21, 02:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Jonathan, YES, I have flown a motorglider! Logged over 3K hours in excellent glass ships, flown places that even you MGP's would never go even with a motor, 1983, documented 25 miles offshore out over the Atlantic. I guess you MGP's will be shocked if I buy a self launch. Old Bob


I realize this thread is trolling, but it is perpetrating a dangerous myth. Bob has made many references to the motor saving your bacon. That motor glider pilots fly without fear over unlandable terrain. And perhaps Bob, who like to brag about his daring do might fly one that way, it is unsafe to do so.

Now there is a mindset diference when flying a glider with self retrieve capability. It is not as Bob sugest no fear over "the swamp". It is reduced concern that you will inconvenience a bunch of folks to come get you at the end of the day. This is an important distinction.

As for the olc advantage of going for the distant clouds with the chance of a landout, that is true. But is foolish at best if it is not landable under those clouds.

So yes there are psychological advantages to having a good chance to avoid a retrieve but not from the unlandable pucker factor. So are there advantages to a self launch or self retrieving glider? There damn well better be to pay the upcharge for the convenience, but is it a true fear reducer? You best check yourself if you fly like it is...
 




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