ATP wants a single engine add on

Sylvain wrote:
Emily wrote:

I'm guessing that when he got his ATP, he should have surrendered his
commercial but didn't for some reason.

one pretty good reason not to surrender a certificate when you upgrade
it, is if said certificate has a rating which you do not want to give
up and which is not covered by the new certificate.

Yes, but he had a commercial multi limited to centerline thrust and got
an unrestricted ATP multi. That doesn't make any sense. Why keep a
centerline thrust restriction?

Emily wrote:
Jim Macklin wrote:
He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but I've seen him
walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm guessing he's
opted out).

I've also run into situations where the pilot has a very unfortunate
first name. I had a student once who's first name turned out to be
Sherly, he went by "John".
However, I believe (I need to double check) that you'll need to verify
his passport before training per TSA.

-Robert

61.31 plus 61.39
c) A person is not required to comply with the provisions of
paragraph (a)(6) of this section if that person:
(1) Holds a foreign-pilot license issued by a contracting
State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation that
authorizes at least the pilot privileges of the airman
certificate sought;

(2) Is applying for a type rating only, or a class rating
with an associated type rating; or

(3) Is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate
or an additional rating to an airline transport pilot
certificate in an aircraft that does not require an aircraft
type rating practical test.

(d) If all increments of the practical test for a
certificate or rating are not completed on one date, all
remaining increments of the test must be satisfactorily
completed not more than 60 calendar days after the date on
which the applicant began the test.

(e) If all increments of the practical test for a
certificate or a rating are not satisfactorily completed
within 60 calendar days after the date on which the
applicant began the test, the applicant must retake the
entire practical test, including those increments
satisfactorily completed.

[Doc. No. 25910, 62 FR 16298, Apr. 4, 1997; Amdt. 61-103, 62
FR 40897, July 30, 1997, as amended by Amdt. 61-104, 63 FR
20286, Apr. 23, 1998]

ande 61.63.





To add a SEL or SES rating as an ATP is much easier.







"Emily" wrote in message
. ..
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| The CLT multi-commercial should have been surrendered,
do
| they both have the same number and name. Have you
checked
| on the FAA web site for his official ratings?
|
| He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but
I've seen him
| walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm
guessing he's
| opted out).
|
| I'm guessing that when he got his ATP, he should have
surrendered his
| commercial but didn't for some reason. I have a feeling
it has to do
| with his military experience.
|
| So let me get this straight, if he adds on to the
commercial (which I
| don't think he can do, since he shouldn't have one) it
requires the
| training and signoffs, but if he adds on to the ATP, it
doesn't? Can
| you point in me in the right direction for added on ATP
ratings?

Jim Macklin wrote:


(3) Is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate
or an additional rating to an airline transport pilot
certificate in an aircraft that does not require an aircraft
type rating practical test.

So per this, he doesn't have to do a practical test. What DOES he have
to do?

You know, I'm doing this the wrong way. HE should be figuring this out.

You know, I'm doing this the wrong way. HE should be figuring this out.

Well, yes, but you have to know too.

Jose
--
There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

He doesn't need a written test or a sign-off from a CFI, but
he must pass the practical [flight test}] for an ATP.



"Emily" wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
|
| (3) Is applying for an airline transport pilot
certificate
| or an additional rating to an airline transport pilot
| certificate in an aircraft that does not require an
aircraft
| type rating practical test.
|
| So per this, he doesn't have to do a practical test. What
DOES he have
| to do?
|
| You know, I'm doing this the wrong way. HE should be
figuring this out.

You have to read all of the regulations, I just posted the
one section that allows skipping some of the paperwork on an
additional rating.


"Jim Macklin" wrote
in message news:%rJPg.23058$SZ3.20912@dukeread04...
| 61.31 plus 61.39
| c) A person is not required to comply with the provisions
of
| paragraph (a)(6) of this section if that person:
| (1) Holds a foreign-pilot license issued by a contracting
| State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation
that
| authorizes at least the pilot privileges of the airman
| certificate sought;
|
| (2) Is applying for a type rating only, or a class rating
| with an associated type rating; or
|
| (3) Is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate
| or an additional rating to an airline transport pilot
| certificate in an aircraft that does not require an
aircraft
| type rating practical test.
|
| (d) If all increments of the practical test for a
| certificate or rating are not completed on one date, all
| remaining increments of the test must be satisfactorily
| completed not more than 60 calendar days after the date on
| which the applicant began the test.
|
| (e) If all increments of the practical test for a
| certificate or a rating are not satisfactorily completed
| within 60 calendar days after the date on which the
| applicant began the test, the applicant must retake the
| entire practical test, including those increments
| satisfactorily completed.
|
| [Doc. No. 25910, 62 FR 16298, Apr. 4, 1997; Amdt. 61-103,
62
| FR 40897, July 30, 1997, as amended by Amdt. 61-104, 63 FR
| 20286, Apr. 23, 1998]
|
| ande 61.63.
|
|
|
|
|
| To add a SEL or SES rating as an ATP is much easier.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| "Emily" wrote in message
| . ..
|| Jim Macklin wrote:
|| The CLT multi-commercial should have been surrendered,
| do
|| they both have the same number and name. Have you
| checked
|| on the FAA web site for his official ratings?
||
|| He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but
| I've seen him
|| walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm
| guessing he's
|| opted out).
||
|| I'm guessing that when he got his ATP, he should have
| surrendered his
|| commercial but didn't for some reason. I have a feeling
| it has to do
|| with his military experience.
||
|| So let me get this straight, if he adds on to the
| commercial (which I
|| don't think he can do, since he shouldn't have one) it
| requires the
|| training and signoffs, but if he adds on to the ATP, it
| doesn't? Can
|| you point in me in the right direction for added on ATP
| ratings?
|
|

Emily wrote:
Jim Macklin wrote:
The CLT multi-commercial should have been surrendered, do they both
have the same number and name. Have you checked on the FAA web site
for his official ratings?

He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but I've seen him
walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm guessing he's
opted out).

Maybe he's a flight attendant? Remember "The Simpsons"? G

FWIW, certificates are public information and very easy to check via the
FAA web site.

"Emily" wrote in message
. ..
Sylvain wrote:
Emily wrote:

I'm guessing that when he got his ATP, he should have surrendered his
commercial but didn't for some reason.

one pretty good reason not to surrender a certificate when you upgrade
it, is if said certificate has a rating which you do not want to give
up and which is not covered by the new certificate.

Yes, but he had a commercial multi limited to centerline thrust and got
an unrestricted ATP multi. That doesn't make any sense. Why keep a
centerline thrust restriction?

From what I have seen the ratings are all on one card. My ATP is for
multi-engine and it says on it "commercial privileges - SEL". When I
received my new card in the mail my old commercial card that I had
surrendered was with it also. The FAA thought I might like it back since it
was an original issue and I had been packing it for 18 years. They did
punch a hole in it though.

Allen

B A R R Y wrote:
Emily wrote:
Jim Macklin wrote:
The CLT multi-commercial should have been surrendered, do they both
have the same number and name. Have you checked on the FAA web site
for his official ratings?

He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but I've seen him
walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm guessing he's
opted out).

Maybe he's a flight attendant? Remember "The Simpsons"? G

FWIW, certificates are public information and very easy to check via the
FAA web site.

You can opt out of the database. I didn't realize people didn't know that.