Busy airports and small GA

Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

You first

I've only flown on VATSIM, where controllers are a bit surprised by
any type of GA traffic (most VATSIM members prefer to fly airliners,
for some reason). They are often rusty with VFR procedures and
considerations for small aircraft. I doubt that this correlates with
real life, because the traffic mix and load are different on VATSIM.

I have heard that some large airports don't welcome small GA aircraft
at all (or, in Europe, they forbid it


No they don;t, you fjukkktard.



Bertie

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Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

You first

I've only flown on VATSIM, where controllers are a bit surprised by
any type of GA traffic (most VATSIM members prefer to fly airliners,
for some reason). They are often rusty with VFR procedures and
considerations for small aircraft. I doubt that this correlates with
real life, because the traffic mix and load are different on VATSIM.

Gee, simulation and the real world are different, what a surprise.

I have heard that some large airports don't welcome small GA aircraft
at all (or, in Europe, they forbid it), whereas others are quite
friendly towards the visiting Cessna or Bonanza, even VFR.

Define "welcome" and "friendly".






He'd have to have some sort of real life experience for that, wouldn't he?

Oh wait, he doesn't need that for anything. My bad.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com writes:

Why?

Curiosity.


you are an idiot


Bertie

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You just need to know the boundaries of ATC's control. If you let ATC
control you too much, at least I leave with the impression of having a
terrible flight, even though the actual flying might have been great.
ATC can only GUIDE you outside of their airspace.

Hmm ... what do you mean by "letting ATC control you too much"? Their limits
are defined by regulations, aren't they?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

You just need to know the boundaries of ATC's control. If you let ATC
control you too much, at least I leave with the impression of having
a terrible flight, even though the actual flying might have been
great. ATC can only GUIDE you outside of their airspace.

Hmm ... what do you mean by "letting ATC control you too much"? Their
limits are defined by regulations, aren't they?


You're an idiot.


Bertie

"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk @See My Sig.com wrote in message
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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What is the largest/busiest airport you've flown into or out of in a
small GA
aircraft as a private pilot, and was it IFR or VFR? What was the
attitude of
the ATC in the area towards pilots like yourself moving about in an area
normally dominated by airliners and commercial flights?

The worlds buisiest airport (for about one week a year) is Whittman
Field - but it is hardly dominated by airliners and commercial flights. I
have flown in and out of it during that week - ATC was quite helpful. Even
got us "special VFR" to get out one year.

I've also never had problems with ATC when flying into / out of large
airports with lots of commercial traffic.

You'll typically have more problems with the airport itself rather than from
ATC. Some large airports charge hefty landing and ramp fees, so you may
wind up with a $150 or so charge you hadn't expected. This is how they
discourage the little guys from landing.

As far as ATC goes, most controllers will work you in just like any other
plane, although usually they prefer the little guys to fly into big airports
VFR on VMC days. That just gives them more options. They can bring you in
lower and put you on a short base to final turn rather than trying to stack
up bigger and faster aircraft behind you. So if you really want to ****
them off, fly a C150 upwind IFR into the class Bravo for the primary airport
during busy traffic times and see if you can hear the a$$holes pucker on
their side of the mic.

Mike writes:

You'll typically have more problems with the airport itself rather than from
ATC. Some large airports charge hefty landing and ramp fees, so you may
wind up with a $150 or so charge you hadn't expected. This is how they
discourage the little guys from landing.

How do they organize the payment? Are they waiting for you on the ramp, or do
you have to go to an office or something to pay up? Do you pay on arrival or
before you leave again? How do you find out the charges in advance? (I don't
recall seeing them in the directory or even on Airnav.)

As far as ATC goes, most controllers will work you in just like any other
plane, although usually they prefer the little guys to fly into big airports
VFR on VMC days. That just gives them more options. They can bring you in
lower and put you on a short base to final turn rather than trying to stack
up bigger and faster aircraft behind you. So if you really want to ****
them off, fly a C150 upwind IFR into the class Bravo for the primary airport
during busy traffic times and see if you can hear the a$$holes pucker on
their side of the mic.

Interesting. I would have guessed that ATC would prefer that everyone be IFR,
just to give them more precise control over the traffic.

Mxsmanic wrote in
news
writes:

You just need to know the boundaries of ATC's control. If you let ATC
control you too much, at least I leave with the impression of having
a terrible flight, even though the actual flying might have been
great. ATC can only GUIDE you outside of their airspace.

Hmm ... what do you mean by "letting ATC control you too much"? Their
limits are defined by regulations, aren't they?

You're too ****ing stupid to ever understand this concept.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Mike writes:

You'll typically have more problems with the airport itself rather than from
ATC. Some large airports charge hefty landing and ramp fees, so you may
wind up with a $150 or so charge you hadn't expected. This is how they
discourage the little guys from landing.

How do they organize the payment? Are they waiting for you on the ramp, or do
you have to go to an office or something to pay up? Do you pay on arrival or
before you leave again? How do you find out the charges in advance? (I don't
recall seeing them in the directory or even on Airnav.)

It depends and real published data used by real pilots.

As far as ATC goes, most controllers will work you in just like any other
plane, although usually they prefer the little guys to fly into big airports
VFR on VMC days. That just gives them more options. They can bring you in
lower and put you on a short base to final turn rather than trying to stack
up bigger and faster aircraft behind you. So if you really want to ****
them off, fly a C150 upwind IFR into the class Bravo for the primary airport
during busy traffic times and see if you can hear the a$$holes pucker on
their side of the mic.

Interesting. I would have guessed that ATC would prefer that everyone be IFR,
just to give them more precise control over the traffic.

That's because you don't know **** from shinola about real flying and
just about everything you say on the subject is a half-ass guess.


--
Jim Pennino

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Mike writes:

You'll typically have more problems with the airport itself rather than
from
ATC. Some large airports charge hefty landing and ramp fees, so you may
wind up with a $150 or so charge you hadn't expected. This is how they
discourage the little guys from landing.

How do they organize the payment? Are they waiting for you on the ramp,
or do
you have to go to an office or something to pay up? Do you pay on arrival
or
before you leave again? How do you find out the charges in advance? (I
don't
recall seeing them in the directory or even on Airnav.)

You pay the bill at the FBO and you can find out from them what the charges
are.