Busy airports and small GA

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Mike writes:

You'll typically have more problems with the airport itself rather
than from ATC. Some large airports charge hefty landing and ramp
fees, so you may wind up with a $150 or so charge you hadn't
expected. This is how they discourage the little guys from landing.

How do they organize the payment? Are they waiting for you on the
ramp, or do you have to go to an office or something to pay up? Do
you pay on arrival or before you leave again? How do you find out the
charges in advance? (I don't recall seeing them in the directory or
even on Airnav.)



Why, you going to try and beg for a landing fee now?


Bertie

In article , Bertie the
Bunyip says...

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Mike writes:

You'll typically have more problems with the airport itself rather
than from ATC. Some large airports charge hefty landing and ramp
fees, so you may wind up with a $150 or so charge you hadn't
expected. This is how they discourage the little guys from landing.

How do they organize the payment? Are they waiting for you on the
ramp, or do you have to go to an office or something to pay up? Do
you pay on arrival or before you leave again? How do you find out the
charges in advance? (I don't recall seeing them in the directory or
even on Airnav.)



Why, you going to try and beg for a landing fee now?

Sitting by the side of the runway with an old hat and a cardboard sign?

Does he also have a kitten?

I always fall for teh baby katzes.

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Maxwell luv2^fly99@live.^com wrote in news:MPG.22edba5e1bea833298b1b5
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In article , Bertie the
Bunyip says...

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Mike writes:

You'll typically have more problems with the airport itself rather
than from ATC. Some large airports charge hefty landing and ramp
fees, so you may wind up with a $150 or so charge you hadn't
expected. This is how they discourage the little guys from
landing.

How do they organize the payment? Are they waiting for you on the
ramp, or do you have to go to an office or something to pay up? Do
you pay on arrival or before you leave again? How do you find out
the
charges in advance? (I don't recall seeing them in the directory
or
even on Airnav.)



Why, you going to try and beg for a landing fee now?

Sitting by the side of the runway with an old hat and a cardboard
sign?

Does he also have a kitten?

I can't see one putting up wiht him!

I always fall for teh baby katzes.



Me too. Altogheter,, awwww.

Bertie

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
writes:

You first

I've only flown on VATSIM, where controllers are a bit surprised by any
type
of GA traffic (most VATSIM members prefer to fly airliners, for some
reason).
They are often rusty with VFR procedures and considerations for small
aircraft. I doubt that this correlates with real life, because the
traffic
mix and load are different on VATSIM.

I have heard that some large airports don't welcome small GA aircraft at
all
(or, in Europe, they forbid it), whereas others are quite friendly towards
the
visiting Cessna or Bonanza, even VFR.

You didn't answer the question. Pretty sad, seeing as it was the question
that you posed.

Mxsmanic wrote:
What is the largest/busiest airport you've flown into or out of in a small GA
aircraft as a private pilot, and was it IFR or VFR? What was the attitude of
the ATC in the area towards pilots like yourself moving about in an area
normally dominated by airliners and commercial flights?

DFW, nice as they could be, VFR.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
news
writes:

You just need to know the boundaries of ATC's control. If you let ATC
control you too much, at least I leave with the impression of having a
terrible flight, even though the actual flying might have been great.
ATC can only GUIDE you outside of their airspace.

Hmm ... what do you mean by "letting ATC control you too much"? Their
limits
are defined by regulations, aren't they?

Douche bag.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Mike writes:

You'll typically have more problems with the airport itself rather than
from
ATC. Some large airports charge hefty landing and ramp fees, so you may
wind up with a $150 or so charge you hadn't expected. This is how they
discourage the little guys from landing.

How do they organize the payment? Are they waiting for you on the ramp,
or do
you have to go to an office or something to pay up? Do you pay on arrival
or
before you leave again? How do you find out the charges in advance? (I
don't
recall seeing them in the directory or even on Airnav.)

As far as ATC goes, most controllers will work you in just like any other
plane, although usually they prefer the little guys to fly into big
airports
VFR on VMC days. That just gives them more options. They can bring you
in
lower and put you on a short base to final turn rather than trying to
stack
up bigger and faster aircraft behind you. So if you really want to ****
them off, fly a C150 upwind IFR into the class Bravo for the primary
airport
during busy traffic times and see if you can hear the a$$holes pucker on
their side of the mic.

Interesting. I would have guessed that ATC would prefer that everyone be
IFR,
just to give them more precise control over the traffic.

Says the idiot.

Mxsmanic wrote:

Mike writes:

Some large airports charge hefty landing and ramp fees, so you may
wind up with a $150 or so charge you hadn't expected. This is how they
discourage the little guys from landing.

How do they organize the payment?

If they find out it's you, they send large, strong, brutish men to beat
the crap out of you until you plead for mercy and offer them any amount
of money to make them stop. Then they laugh derisively and take what
they want from you.

Guess it's a good thing you don't actually fly, eh?

I would have guessed that ATC would prefer that everyone be IFR

What you would have guessed is irrelevant.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Mike writes:

You'll typically have more problems with the airport itself rather than
from
ATC. Some large airports charge hefty landing and ramp fees, so you may
wind up with a $150 or so charge you hadn't expected. This is how they
discourage the little guys from landing.

How do they organize the payment?

They don't. The pilot organizes the payment. They organize the collection.

yeadeagisss wrote in
:

Mxsmanic wrote:

Mike writes:

Some large airports charge hefty landing and ramp fees, so you may
wind up with a $150 or so charge you hadn't expected. This is how they
discourage the little guys from landing.

How do they organize the payment?

If they find out it's you, they send large, strong, brutish men to beat
the crap out of you until you plead for mercy and offer them any amount
of money to make them stop. Then they laugh derisively and take what
they want from you.

Guess it's a good thing you don't actually fly, eh?

I would have guessed that ATC would prefer that everyone be IFR

What you would have guessed is irrelevant.


At LAS, the goodfellas will size you up and then offer you a deal you dare
not refuse.