F-15 Breakup Animation & video

Video depictions of what happened when that longeron failed in-flight:

http://www.acc.af.mil/shared/media/d...080110-018.wmv

http://www.acc.af.mil/shared/media/d...080110-028.wmv

The sad truth is that our kids are flying around in planes that were
designed during the Nixon administration, and were built when Reagan was
president.

To put that in perspective, that would be like our fathers and grandfathers
flying Spads and Sopwith Camels against the Luftwaffe in 1943.

I hope this means accelerated funding and deployment of the F-22 and F-35,
but I fear otherwise.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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The sad truth is that our kids are flying around in planes that were
designed during the Nixon administration, and were built when Reagan was
president.

To put that in perspective, that would be like our fathers and
grandfathers flying Spads and Sopwith Camels against the Luftwaffe in
1943.

I hope this means accelerated funding and deployment of the F-22 and F-35,
but I fear otherwise.

Why would you fear otherwise? If the Air Force winds up grounding a large
enough number of F-15's, they may not have an option *but* to increase
production.

http://www.star-telegram.com/business/story/405748.html "F-22 rises as an
option after F-15 faults found"

Then again, I'm sure whoever getd into the White House next term will have
an impact on the outcome...

Marco

I hope this means accelerated funding and deployment of the F-22 and
F-35, but I fear otherwise.

Why would you fear otherwise? If the Air Force winds up grounding a large
enough number of F-15's, they may not have an option *but* to increase
production.

Because the draw-down of our Air Force since the end of the Cold War has
been steep and continuous. Some are even suggesting that it be re-combined
with the army, since it has become prohibitively expensive to maintain it as
a separate force at its current size.

This type of precipitous disarmament happened after World War I, and as a
result we were woefully unprepared for what followed. Guys like Curtis
Lemay made sure that the same thing did not happen after World War II -- but
all the visionaries of that generation are dead, leaving a new generation --
apparently ignorant of history -- to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Sure, it's a different time, you might say, and we've got satellites to keep
an eye on things, now -- but IMHO maintaining a modern Air Force is cheap
insurance, and one of the few things that our Federal Government is actually
*supposed* to be doing with our tax dollars.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
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I hope this means accelerated funding and deployment of the F-22 and
F-35, but I fear otherwise.

Why would you fear otherwise? If the Air Force winds up grounding a
large enough number of F-15's, they may not have an option *but* to
increase production.

Because the draw-down of our Air Force since the end of the Cold War
has been steep and continuous. Some are even suggesting that it be
re-combined with the army, since it has become prohibitively expensive
to maintain it as a separate force at its current size.

This type of precipitous disarmament happened after World War I, and
as a result we were woefully unprepared for what followed.

Untrue.





a new generation -- apparently ignorant of history


And you right up there at the front...


Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Sure, it's a different time, you might say, and we've got satellites to
keep an eye on things, now -- but IMHO maintaining a modern Air Force is
cheap insurance, and one of the few things that our Federal Government is
actually *supposed* to be doing with our tax dollars.


Actually, the Constitution does not give the federal government the power to
maintain an Air Force.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Sure, it's a different time, you might say, and we've got satellites to
keep an eye on things, now -- but IMHO maintaining a modern Air Force is
cheap insurance, and one of the few things that our Federal Government is
actually *supposed* to be doing with our tax dollars.


Actually, the Constitution does not give the federal government the power to
maintain an Air Force.

Nor does it explicitly give the federal government the power to requlate
telephones, radio, television, or nuclear reactors or create and maintain
NASA as none of those things existed when the Constitution was written.

It is done through interpretation of the intent of the framers.


--
Jim Pennino

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Nor does it explicitly give the federal government the power to requlate
telephones, radio, television, or nuclear reactors or create and maintain
NASA as none of those things existed when the Constitution was written.


Agreed.



It is done through interpretation of the intent of the framers.


Yes, and the intent of the framers can be interpreted so as to give the
federal government unlimited power.

Actually, the Constitution does not give the federal government the power
to maintain an Air Force.

Actually, it does -- unless you don't believe an Air Force contributes to
the "common defence" of the country:

Article I, Section 8. "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect
Taxes,
Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the
common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..."
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
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Actually, the Constitution does not give the federal government the
power to maintain an Air Force.

Actually, it does -- unless you don't believe an Air Force contributes
to the "common defence" of the country:

Article I, Section 8. "The Congress shall have Power To lay and
collect Taxes,
Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the
common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..."

Explains why they don't subsidize you, then.

Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Actually, it does -- unless you don't believe an Air Force contributes to
the "common defence" of the country:

Article I, Section 8. "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect
Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the
common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..."


You didn't go far enough:


"...but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the
United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and
with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the
subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the
standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current
coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited
times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective
writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and
offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules
concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall
be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval
forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union,
suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for
governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United
States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the
officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the
discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such
District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular
states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of
the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased
by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be,
for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful
buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this
Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or
officer thereof."


If you wish to gain an understanding of the Constitution, the best sources
are James Madison's "Notes On the Constitutional Convention of 1787", "The
Federalist Papers", and "The Heritage Guide to the Constitution."