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Friendly Fire Notebook
Friendly Fire Notebook
An effort has begun to collect and preserve the details of every friendly fire incident that took or changed the lives of American soldiers. Since the Revolutionary War thousands upon thousands of military personnel have been injured or killed due to mistaken or intentional, American friendly fire. All are invited to participate in this project. For more information please access URL: http://members.aol.com/amerwar/ff/ff.htm --------------------------- Otis Willie Associate Librarian The American War Library http://www.americanwarlibrary.com |
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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:00:19 GMT, Otis Willie
wrote: Friendly Fire Notebook An effort has begun to collect and preserve the details of every friendly fire incident that took or changed the lives of American soldiers. Since the Revolutionary War thousands upon thousands of military personnel have been injured or killed due to mistaken or intentional, American friendly fire. All are invited to participate in this project. For more information please access URL: GMAFB! Do we have "friendly fire" incidents reported from the Revolutionary War? Really? "Thousands upon thousands...." Really? Do we have bit of hyperbole here? Is the result of this "project" predetermined? How many first-hand accounts do we expect to glean of blue-on-blue incidents from the Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War, Spanish-American War, World War I.....? Is this rigorous study going to be subject to academic peer review? Oh,.....never mind. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote
Otis Willie wrote: Friendly Fire Notebook GMAFB! YGTBSM! This makes as much sense as a Purple Heart Registry (Ho, man!) |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:26:15 -0600, "D. Strang"
wrote: YGTBSM! Since this is a newsgroup dedicated to factual precision--measuring with a micrometer, marking with a greasepencil and cutting with a chainsaw, let me provide a minor correction to your expletive--- The proper phrasing is YGBSM, since "Gotta" is a contraction and only one word. It was first uttered by Jack Donovan, original F-100F Weasel Bear upon getting the first briefing of what their mission was going to be. He'd come a long way from the bowels of a B-52 to the R/C/P of a Hun. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:26:15 -0600, "D. Strang" wrote: YGTBSM! Since this is a newsgroup dedicated to factual precision--measuring with a micrometer, marking with a greasepencil and cutting with a chainsaw, let me provide a minor correction to your expletive--- The proper phrasing is YGBSM, since "Gotta" is a contraction and only one word. It was first uttered by Jack Donovan, original F-100F Weasel Bear upon getting the first briefing of what their mission was going to be. One of the ACC Generals of the mid 90's had a customization of his email program to allow, among other things, a one button reply of "YGBSM" Pete |
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message news On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:00:19 GMT, Otis Willie wrote: Friendly Fire Notebook An effort has begun to collect and preserve the details of every friendly fire incident that took or changed the lives of American soldiers. Since the Revolutionary War thousands upon thousands of military personnel have been injured or killed due to mistaken or intentional, American friendly fire. All are invited to participate in this project. For more information please access URL: GMAFB! Do we have "friendly fire" incidents reported from the Revolutionary War? Really? "Thousands upon thousands...." Really? Do we have bit of hyperbole here? Is the result of this "project" predetermined? How many first-hand accounts do we expect to glean of blue-on-blue incidents from the Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War, Spanish-American War, World War I.....? Is this rigorous study going to be subject to academic peer review? Oh,.....never mind. While I have to agree with your assessment of the usefullness of this "study" (not to mention suspecting the very nature of the "AWL" invovement, since ol' Otis' group has a rather fishy background), and I truly the am disgusted by the likes of the Henry Cobb's of this world who sit back and point accusing fingers at incidents like the more recent A-10/USMC incident, the number of "thousands upon thousands" is probably quite accurate. George Washington commented on an early fratricide incident that caused significant casualties even before this period, during the French and Indian War. During the first significant land battle of the Civil War, at Big Bethel in Virginia, the Federal's accounted for most of their own casualties (which totaled some 80 personnel) when two of their elements started firing at each other due to mistaken identity. That is just two examples from our early history; come forward to WWII and Operation COBRA, where we bombed the poor 30th Infantry Division not once, but twice, causing hundreds (IIRC the total came to around 600) of friendly casualties. One unit during one operation during one war therefore gets you over halfway to your first thousand. How many US Army paratroopers were killed during the ill-fated airborne operation at the start of the invasion of Sicily, when the USN opened up on the C-47's? How many "short" artillery volleys were fired during both World War's, and what was their toll? In the end, I doubt very seriously the aggregate total would not be quite a few thousands of casualties due to fratricide over the course of our military history. Brooks Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 03:01:02 GMT, "Pete" wrote:
One of the ACC Generals of the mid 90's had a customization of his email program to allow, among other things, a one button reply of "YGBSM" Pete I had a boss in ATC Hq when I was exiled there for about 18 months who peppered the daily TWX read-file with obscure acronyms which were always fun to decipher. I learned the meaning of WGAS, WTFO, BTSOM, GMAFB, and the truly elusive but often appropriate, ROMFYOYO. No telling where this convolution of the thread might lead. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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He'd come a long way from the bowels of a B-52 to the R/C/P of a Hun.
Technically speaking, he didn't come from the "bowels" per se, but from the "back corner". The term "bowels" is reserved for the BUFF offense team. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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I learned the meaning of WGAS, WTFO, BTSOM, GMAFB, and the truly
elusive but often appropriate, ROMFYOYO. I spent an entire morning hearing the oft repeated acronym OBE. At lunch I had to ask what the hell it meant. Out of 6 guys, only 1 knew. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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