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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message ... If you let it expire you did not meet the requirements to have the medical, so by definition it is either revoked or suspended. Bull****. It's just expired...you can't use it anymore. There's a difference between expiration (which is without prejudice) and having it terminated by an explicit action. |
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
... Todd Pattist wrote in : I disagree. "Expiration" is different from "revocation." The latter implies affirmative action by the issuing authority to withdraw the medical, presumably for cause. The former does not carry that implication. If you let it expire you did not meet the requirements to have the medical, so by definition it is either revoked or suspended. You can't use it. For the purposes of the LSA that is how it can be interpreted. It is one thing to allow a normal medical to expire, but anyone who has a special issuance, by definition, does not qualify for a normal medical certificate. The letter that you are sent when you receive a special issuance medical is VERY specific: "You are ineligible for third-class medical certification under Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR's)," blah blah... Gee, along with just about everyone in this thread, the AOPA seems to disagree with you too: http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...rt.html#miller "...Under the rules, if his special issuance medical certificate lapses, he can still fly exercising the privileges of a Sport Pilot certificate with a driver's license, providing that he self-certifies that he is medically fit to fly." You may be proved correct (I don't think so), but until that distant time, I think I'll believe all the doctors and lawyers on the various AOPA panels. -cj |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in
m: "Juan~--~Jimenez" b*d&5^-*@()--b(d)5+.!c#o$m wrote in message ... From the Sport Pilot final rule: It sounds like you can just continue to keep your Special Issuance/3rd class in line until it expires and then you are free. Special issuances always have a time limit on them (usually a year) anyhow. I wish it were, but that does not seem to be the case... |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in
m: "Juan Jimenez" wrote in message ... If you let it expire you did not meet the requirements to have the medical, so by definition it is either revoked or suspended. Bull****. It's just expired...you can't use it anymore. There's a difference between expiration (which is without prejudice) and having it terminated by an explicit action. No, Ron. Suppose you get a letter from the FAA asking you for an update of... say... your diabetic situation, from your doctor. What do you think will happen if you ignore the letter and try to wait until the special issuance expires, so that you can then fly LSA aircraft with a DL? (This is no different than not sending in the required medical reports needed to renew the special issuance medical; that request is made when you get the medical in the first place.) I'll give you one guess, and a hint: it's not an expiration and it will be highly prejudiced. Make sure you check your sources, because I have the answer right in front of me, in black and white, on FAA letterhead. Juan |
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
... I'll give you one guess, and a hint: it's not an expiration and it will be highly prejudiced. Make sure you check your sources, because I have the answer right in front of me, in black and white, on FAA letterhead. And so what *is* the definition of "is"? This is the archtypical example of phony news hacks trying to make something out of nothing. I already posted the specific response of the FAA with regard to this specific question. Read it again. If you can't find it, ask for help. This is a dip**** bull**** response that is trying to stir up a non-existant issue. *PLONK* Rich S. |
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"cj" wrote in
: Gee, along with just about everyone in this thread, the AOPA seems to disagree with you too: http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...rt.html#miller "...Under the rules, if his special issuance medical certificate lapses, he can still fly exercising the privileges of a Sport Pilot certificate with a driver's license, providing that he self-certifies that he is medically fit to fly." You may be proved correct (I don't think so), but until that distant time, I think I'll believe all the doctors and lawyers on the various AOPA panels. You know what, CJ? I hope AOPA is right. However, this is what the final rule says: "The FAA has reconsidered the circumstances in which a current and valid U.S. driver's license should be allowed in lieu of a valid airman medical certificate and has made substantive revisions to the medical provisions in the final rule. These revisions are based on the FAA's concern that pilots whose airman medical certificates have been denied, suspended, or revoked or whose Authorization for Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate (Authorization) has been withdrawn would be allowed to operate light-sport aircraft other than gliders and balloons under the proposed rule. Therefore, possession of a current and valid U.S. driver's license alone is not enough to dispel this concern. For this reason, this final rule permits using a current and valid U.S. driver's license as evidence of medical qualification based on certain conditions. If a person has applied for an airman medical certificate, that person must have been found eligible for the issuance of at least a third-class airman medical certificate. If a person has held an airman medical certificate, that person's most recently issued airman medical certificate must not have been revoked or suspended. If a person has been granted an Authorization, that Authorization must not have been withdrawn." There is NOTHING in the rules that say that if a special issuance medical lapses, you can use your DL as a replacement, but there is SPECIFIC text in the rule that says that if your special issuance is withdrawn, you cannot use your DL. |
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"Rich S." wrote in
: And so what *is* the definition of "is"? Hello, Mr. Clinton. Didn't know you were a pilot. This is the archtypical example of phony news hacks trying to make something out of nothing. I already posted the specific response of the FAA with regard to this specific question. Read it again. If you can't find it, ask for help. This is a dip**** bull**** response that is trying to stir up a non-existant issue. *PLONK* Ah, so your real agenda finally popped up. Hmm. Oh, well, no loss to the thread. |
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Juan Jimenez wrote in
: "cj" wrote in : Gee, along with just about everyone in this thread, the AOPA seems to disagree with you too: http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...rt.html#miller "...Under the rules, if his special issuance medical certificate lapses, he can still fly exercising the privileges of a Sport Pilot certificate with a driver's license, providing that he self-certifies that he is medically fit to fly." You may be proved correct (I don't think so), but until that distant time, I think I'll believe all the doctors and lawyers on the various AOPA panels. You know what, CJ? I hope AOPA is right. However, this is what the final rule says: "The FAA has reconsidered the circumstances in which a current and valid U.S. driver's license should be allowed in lieu of a valid airman medical certificate and has made substantive revisions to the medical provisions in the final rule. These revisions are based on the FAA's concern that pilots whose airman medical certificates have been denied, suspended, or revoked or whose Authorization for Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate (Authorization) has been withdrawn would be allowed to operate light-sport aircraft other than gliders and balloons under the proposed rule. Therefore, possession of a current and valid U.S. driver's license alone is not enough to dispel this concern. For this reason, this final rule permits using a current and valid U.S. driver's license as evidence of medical qualification based on certain conditions. If a person has applied for an airman medical certificate, that person must have been found eligible for the issuance of at least a third-class airman medical certificate. If a person has held an airman medical certificate, that person's most recently issued airman medical certificate must not have been revoked or suspended. If a person has been granted an Authorization, that Authorization must not have been withdrawn." There is NOTHING in the rules that say that if a special issuance medical lapses, you can use your DL as a replacement, but there is SPECIFIC text in the rule that says that if your special issuance is withdrawn, you cannot use your DL. EAA also disagrees with you: Read the following from EAA’s page: http://www.sportpilot.org/becoming/index.html : "However, a pilot who has specifically been denied a medical certificate because of a medical condition that the FAA has judged would make the person unable to operate an aircraft in a safe manner is not eligible to use a drivers lecense as a medical. When a pilot is denied a medical, he or she obtains a letter from the FAA that has the specific word "denied" in the letter. If you have not received sucha letter, then you can use a drivers license as a medical. If you have obtained such a letter, your recourse is to obtain at least one special issuance 3rd class medical before acting as a sport pilot." -- ET "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."---- Douglas Adams |
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
... *PLONK* Ah, so your real agenda finally popped up. Hmm. Oh, well, no loss to the thread. Main Entry: stu·pid 1 a : slow of mind : b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c : lacking intelligence or reason too dumb to figure out what's going on. Main Entry: agen·da 2 : an underlying often ideological plan or program a political agenda I have no agenda, stupid. |
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"Rich S." wrote in
: When is a plonk not a plonk? When it comes from a dimwit with an agenda. Since you really didn't mean it, I'll show you how it's done. KER-plonk! |
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