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Snowbird wrote in message There's also the vis. factor. If it's hazy and
you're flying towards the sun, you can't see a durn thing even if there isn't a cloud out there. OTOH, a plane flying perp. or away from the sun can legitimately see 3+ miles Last weekend, I flew up to North Carolina at 16,500'. I try to put one of the local flight instructors in the seat when I can. It was a hazy summer day, but the co-pilot of the day had no problem maintaining straight and level, staying out of the clouds, and spotting landmarks. However, the TCAD (traffic collision avoidance thing) would show an occassional target being within 3 miles of us and we couldn't see them for nothing. D. |
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Yes, my old TCADs used to do that for me in eastern Kansas, too.
(Or maybe it was in western Missouri, I'm not too sure.) I've not noticed it since I upgraded to a 9900BX last year, though. ---JRC--- "Capt. Doug" wrote in message = ... =20 However, the TCAD (traffic collision avoidance thing) would show an occassional target = being within 3 miles of us and we couldn't see them for nothing. =20 D. =20 |
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wrote in message ...
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: Merging target procedures apply to radar identified aircraft. "5-1-8 Merging Target Procedures a. Except while they are established in a holding pattern, apply merging target procedures to all radar identified: What McNicoll is trying to say in his oh-so-charming way is that "radar identified" has a very specific meaning, and the VFR traffic wasn't radar identified. Being visible on the radar scope is not in and of itself sufficient for being "radar identified". Pete |
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Yet in high speed driving school (i.e., Bondurant) they teach you to swerve BEHIND a car coming across your path. Most drivers will just slam on the brakes. In fact, in most every situation the vast majority of drivers will just slam on the brakes rather than maneuver out of the way. It's the hardest habit the driving instructors have to break (pardon the pun). IF the other driver slams on his brakes, doesn't that adversely influence the success of the reccomended (turn behind traffic) maneuver? Jose (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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I hope you tracked the intruder to his destination.
No I didn't. My supervisor and I had a very short discussion about doing so and then decided we could prove nothing. Could have been bad mode C, no way to prove he was not VMC, the Baron never saw him etc etc. In what situations would you decide to track the traffic? I'm curious because one very clear night I didn't feel like bothering with Phila. Approach and just overflew the Philadelphia Class B VFR at 7500 enroute to Atlantic City. When I called ACY Approach, they told me that Phila. wanted to talk to me. I called after landing, and Phila. said they showed me below 7000 for part of the time, thus in their Class B without a clearance. I assured them I was at 7500 the whole time, and agreed to get the Mode C checked (it was due the next month anyway). Is ATC more likely to pursue a possible Class B violation than a rogue IMC? Barry |
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"Barry" wrote in message ... I hope you tracked the intruder to his destination. No I didn't. My supervisor and I had a very short discussion about doing so and then decided we could prove nothing. Could have been bad mode C, no way to prove he was not VMC, the Baron never saw him etc etc. In what situations would you decide to track the traffic? I'm curious because one very clear night I didn't feel like bothering with Phila. Approach and just overflew the Philadelphia Class B VFR at 7500 enroute to Atlantic City. When I called ACY Approach, they told me that Phila. wanted to talk to me. I called after landing, and Phila. said they showed me below 7000 for part of the time, thus in their Class B without a clearance. I assured them I was at 7500 the whole time, and agreed to get the Mode C checked (it was due the next month anyway). Is ATC more likely to pursue a possible Class B violation than a rogue IMC? These days I have to be careful about what I say on the net. Like you point out, we have the ability to track you. We do track suspected airspace violators, especially Class B. We don't do the enforcement end so I don't know what the burden of proof is other than an actual visual sighting etc but I'd say yes, we are far more likely to pursue a probable Class B violator than a probable rogue IMC. After all, the Class B (or A or C or D) is actually there all of the time and always monitored, whereas something like weather conditions at a given point in time and space is rather fleeting and subjective. That "bad Mode C" angle is a factor too. We get guys from time to time showing up in Class A airspace indicating FL255 or so, VFR. We are usually pretty sure they are actually down in the weeds with bad Mode C, but we have no safe way to tell and so treat them as intruders while they display they are in the flight levels. However, we don't track them unless they appear to fly hundreds of miles at the same displayed altitude. There is an old war story that goes around ZTL (and probably other Centers) about a Sun and Fun weekend where ZTL tracked a VFR aircraft that flew from somewhere north of the Ohio River all the way down to Florida, indicating FL275. An air carrier over Alma Georgia got a visual on it and reported it as a P-51, so ZJX tagged up the target and ATC followed it all the way into Lakeland. However, allegedly FSDO couldn't ever prove an enforcement because the pilot claimed that he had been VFR at 17,500 the whole time. Dunno if this story is fact or fiction. Several ZTL old timers swore they were involved when I heard it here, but I have since heard a similar story (same theme) about an Oshkosh-bound P-47 as I was enjoying a cold malted beverage with some Kansas City Center guys. You know war stories. Chip, ZTL ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Capt. Doug" wrote in message ... Chip Jones wrote in message Good point, D. I've actually seen a talking Jackass work an ATC sector down here, now that you mention it. :-) Seems to happen everytime I request direct to OKK from JOHNN. :-) LOL! IIU is about it for directs to Chicagoland from Florida way... D. (pilots vs. controllers- what a softball game that would be!) Well, at least your monkies could swing a bat. Our Jackasses probably would have a little trouble with the pitching, too... and it would always be the pilots's fault. :-) Chip, ZTL ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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"Snowbird" wrote in message om... (Scott Lowrey) wrote in message . com... BTW, Chip, do you know Don Brown? Not asking in the biblical sense I hope? Well, this is The South... :-) Chip, ZTL [Key "Dueling Banjos"] "Aintree? Haw haw haw! These boys is tryin' to git to Aintree, Elmer! Y'all done taken a wrong turn, you see. You cain't git thar frum here... 'lessen you git in that thar River...and it's only the biggest River in the whole State..." ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Barry wrote: In what situations would you decide to track the traffic? I'm curious because one very clear night I didn't feel like bothering with Phila. Approach and just overflew the Philadelphia Class B VFR at 7500 enroute to Atlantic City. When I called ACY Approach, they told me that Phila. wanted to talk to me. I called after landing, and Phila. said they showed me below 7000 for part of the time, thus in their Class B without a clearance. I assured them I was at 7500 the whole time, and agreed to get the Mode C checked (it was due the next month anyway). Is ATC more likely to pursue a possible Class B violation than a rogue IMC? Yes. In most cases ATC does not know an aircraft is illegally IFR because we don't know what the weather is. I have seen ZLC call a couple times because they watched traffic for over a thousand miles. One was a Malibu that busted LAX's class B and landed here at BIL. Another aircraft busted Denver's class B and came here. Both times we gave them a phone number supplied by ZLC. Don't know what happened after that. |
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"Teacherjh" wrote in message ... Yet in high speed driving school (i.e., Bondurant) they teach you to swerve BEHIND a car coming across your path. Most drivers will just slam on the brakes. In fact, in most every situation the vast majority of drivers will just slam on the brakes rather than maneuver out of the way. It's the hardest habit the driving instructors have to break (pardon the pun). IF the other driver slams on his brakes, doesn't that adversely influence the success of the reccomended (turn behind traffic) maneuver? Only if he can stop in one car length. In the unlikely event he could, at worst you sideswipe him(her, more likely :~ ) rather than T-bone them. |
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