Train in USA or Europe??

mosquito mos wrote:

I was looking for places in Arizona but they
don't seem to offer much instruction.

You can't be serious! Estrella Sailport (aka Arizona Soaring), located in
Maricopa County (almost halfway between Phoenix and Tucson), is well-known for
its level of instruction and availability of aircraft. There is also Turf
Soaring (located in Carefree, AZ, closer to and north of Phoenix).

--Shirley






BRBR

Hi mosquito,
come to germany. OERLINGHAUSEN is the best way to get into it again!
The thermal conditions are perfect there. The flying school is open all
over the week till october. But I don't recommend you to come till the
end of august, because of holiday (to much people).

I've done my hole pilotlicense there. Not just because of the wonderfull
area and conditions, mainly because of the possibility to learn very
quick. There are enough teachers and modern planes (5*ASK21, 3*ASK23,
4*LS4, ...)

Just take a look at:
http://www.segelflugschule-oerlingha.../fr_index.html.
The page is in german, but everyone there speaks english.
Tel. 0049 - 52 02 9 96 90

From time to time there are people from GB there, because of the
thermal conditions.

Bey, Adonis

mosquito wrote following on/ schrieb folgendes am 19.07.2003 15:42:

I learned to fly in the UK, but haven't flown for 5 years or so.
I'm (was) solo, with approx 40 hrs - mainly local thermal soaring
within gliding range of my home field.

This was all on ASK-13's. I think in the US most clubs use
glass gliders.

Anyway, I want to get current again, and I'm looking to take an
intensive refresher course to get back to solo. Could you recommend
any facilities/clubs in either Europe or the US that offer training.

I was looking for places in Arizona but they don't seem to offer
much instruction. A place in N. California at Hollister looks good
but that's a long way from the UK.

Spain or France perhaps? Comments welcome.

Anyway, I want to get current again, and I'm looking to take an
intensive refresher course to get back to solo. Could you recommend
any facilities/clubs in either Europe or the US that offer training.

Why go to the US when there's lots of places in Europe ?

This was all on ASK-13's. I think in the US most clubs use
glass gliders.

Heh, heh, heh. Mostly metal, actually. L-23s and 2-33s lead the fleet.
Besides, USA is almost exactly 1/2 "clubs" (pay less, work more) and 1/2
"operators" (pay more, fly more), kind of like public/private schools (or is
that private/public?). You have the choice. Other things you should know
about the USA are that FAA training is mostly gliding vs. soaring, launching
is mostly aerotow, and airfields & airspace are not too crowded. Oh, and
the soaring is fantastic, given 3,000 x 1,500 miles to search through.

I was looking for places in Arizona but they don't seem to offer
much instruction.

Does this cinch this message as a put-on? Every month, Arizona Soaring (SW
of Phoenix) and Turf Soaring (NW of Phoenix) vy for student pilot attention
with adjacent full-page Ads in SOARING magazine. Not to mention Tucson
Soaring Club and other active outfits.

A place in N. California at Hollister looks good
but that's a long way from the UK.


Once you've crossed the Atlantic, is there that much difference? (tickets to
L.A. are cheaper than to Phoenix). You can do a week's intensive course
anywhere from Bermuda High near Kitty Hawk to Mile High Gliding in the
Rockies to Sky Sailing by San Diego (... dozens more).

Anywhere but the UK! It has been a particularly bad season here weatherwise.

Ian


"mosquito" wrote in message
...
I learned to fly in the UK, but haven't flown for 5 years or so.
I'm (was) solo, with approx 40 hrs - mainly local thermal soaring
within gliding range of my home field.

This was all on ASK-13's. I think in the US most clubs use
glass gliders.

Anyway, I want to get current again, and I'm looking to take an
intensive refresher course to get back to solo. Could you recommend
any facilities/clubs in either Europe or the US that offer training.

I was looking for places in Arizona but they don't seem to offer
much instruction. A place in N. California at Hollister looks good
but that's a long way from the UK.

Spain or France perhaps? Comments welcome.

http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/...uptclimate.htm ?

Don't wish to be an alarmist, but NE US and UK and the Euro Continent will
be among the first to know if this is the trend.

"tango4" wrote in message
...
Anywhere but the UK! It has been a particularly bad season here
weatherwise.

Ian


"mosquito" wrote in message
...
I learned to fly in the UK, but haven't flown for 5 years or so.
I'm (was) solo, with approx 40 hrs - mainly local thermal soaring
within gliding range of my home field.

This was all on ASK-13's. I think in the US most clubs use
glass gliders.

Anyway, I want to get current again, and I'm looking to take an
intensive refresher course to get back to solo. Could you recommend
any facilities/clubs in either Europe or the US that offer training.

I was looking for places in Arizona but they don't seem to offer
much instruction. A place in N. California at Hollister looks good
but that's a long way from the UK.

Spain or France perhaps? Comments welcome.

I also recall some wet years in the UK, following the Mt St Helens and Mt
Pinatubo eruptions. This time around, I don't seem to recall any massive
eruptions filling the atmosphere with dust in the northern hemisphere.

Frank Whiteley

"F.L. Whiteley" wrote in message
...
http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/...uptclimate.htm ?

Don't wish to be an alarmist, but NE US and UK and the Euro Continent will
be among the first to know if this is the trend.

"tango4" wrote in message
...
Anywhere but the UK! It has been a particularly bad season here
weatherwise.

Ian


"mosquito" wrote in message
...
I learned to fly in the UK, but haven't flown for 5 years or so.
I'm (was) solo, with approx 40 hrs - mainly local thermal soaring
within gliding range of my home field.

This was all on ASK-13's. I think in the US most clubs use
glass gliders.

Anyway, I want to get current again, and I'm looking to take an
intensive refresher course to get back to solo. Could you recommend
any facilities/clubs in either Europe or the US that offer training.

I was looking for places in Arizona but they don't seem to offer
much instruction. A place in N. California at Hollister looks good
but that's a long way from the UK.

Spain or France perhaps? Comments welcome.

I must be living in a different UK to you guys. This
year has been pretty good really.

Owain



At 10:42 21 July 2003, Bruce Greeff wrote:
Hey Ian

Come visit me - I'll even let you fly my Cirrus a bit...
Last three flights 4:05, 3:15, 4:20 - Mid-winter -
Africa is tough.

tango4 wrote:

The weather has been so marginal that I'm going to
buy a boat! If I can't
fly I might as well go sailing.

Ian


'mosquito' wrote in message
...

Anywhere but the UK! It has been a particularly bad
season here

weatherwise.

Too true. The UK is always a pot-luck prospect, when
your activity is

weather

critical. A soaring friend of mine who's learning to
Paraglide, has been
grounded for a couple of weeks due to unfavourable
weather. That's the

main

reason I'm giving serious consideration to the western
USA.

Many of the US clubs I assumed didn't offer instruction,
do. The German

club looks

good, but doesn't have an English version.

Thanks.

On 21 Jul 2003 11:54:17 GMT, Owain Walters
wrote:


I must be living in a different UK to you guys. This
year has been pretty good really.

Speaking entirely from my experiences, May was excellent and I thought
it was the start of a great year, but the last two months have been
pretty dire. OK for local soaring, I suppose, but nothing I could do a
significant xc in.

Maybe I should just practise harder :-(


--
martin@ : Martin Gregorie
gregorie : Harlow, UK
demon :
co : Zappa fan & glider pilot
uk :

Not that I think that it would cheer you up, but the reason for the last two
month's UK wheather is a pretty strong Acore high pressure (deviating all
cyclones to the north) which has given the Alps (at least the western part)
the best conditions since at least 10 years. And not just one day - since
beginning of June, the conditions are just tremendeous.

Sorry for that...

Bert

"Martin Gregorie" a écrit dans le message de
...
On 21 Jul 2003 11:54:17 GMT, Owain Walters
wrote:


I must be living in a different UK to you guys. This
year has been pretty good really.

Speaking entirely from my experiences, May was excellent and I thought
it was the start of a great year, but the last two months have been
pretty dire. OK for local soaring, I suppose, but nothing I could do a
significant xc in.

Maybe I should just practise harder :-(


--
martin@ : Martin Gregorie
gregorie : Harlow, UK
demon :
co : Zappa fan & glider pilot
uk :