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Old January 2nd 04, 01:50 AM
old hoodoo
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Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.

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Old January 2nd 04, 10:50 AM
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Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.


Might be a Brewster Buffalo of the Finnish Air Force. Hasse Wind was
credited with 22 victories flying BW-393, and other pilots with 16 on
the same aircraft, for a total of 38.

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Old January 2nd 04, 11:51 AM
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Cub Driver wrote:

Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.


Might be a Brewster Buffalo of the Finnish Air Force. Hasse Wind was
credited with 22 victories flying BW-393, and other pilots with 16 on
the same aircraft, for a total of 38.


Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's Zekes, Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38 beats out that Brewster Buffalo (which, despite your fetish for it, still sucked as a fighter when pitted against contemporary fighters - which "Rata's", "Mosca's", and PO's weren't).
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Old January 2nd 04, 03:49 PM
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"Garrison Hilliard" wrote in message ...
Cub Driver wrote:

Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.


Might be a Brewster Buffalo of the Finnish Air Force. Hasse Wind was
credited with 22 victories flying BW-393, and other pilots with 16 on
the same aircraft, for a total of 38.


Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's Zekes, Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38 beats out that Brewster Buffalo (which, despite your fetish for it, still sucked as a fighter when pitted against contemporary fighters - which "Rata's", "Mosca's", and PO's weren't).


I totally agree. Take your pick of Me-109 aircraft, the aircraft with
the most kills in history and the aircraft that made the most aces.
Brewster Buffalo??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Has the discrediting of German achievement reached such a new low? Get
real.

Rob
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Old January 2nd 04, 04:33 PM
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"robert arndt" wrote in message
om...
"Garrison Hilliard" wrote in message

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Cub Driver wrote:

Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual

aircraft
(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.

Might be a Brewster Buffalo of the Finnish Air Force. Hasse Wind was
credited with 22 victories flying BW-393, and other pilots with 16 on
the same aircraft, for a total of 38.


Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's Zekes,

Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38 beats out that Brewster Buffalo
(which, despite your fetish for it, still sucked as a fighter when pitted
against contemporary fighters - which "Rata's", "Mosca's", and PO's
weren't).

I totally agree. Take your pick of Me-109 aircraft, the aircraft with
the most kills in history and the aircraft that made the most aces.
Brewster Buffalo??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Has the discrediting of German achievement reached such a new low? Get
real.

Rob


I think the context here was most kills by an individual aircraft i.e. the
serial numbered airframe with the most kills. Someone supplied a data
point. Got a better one?

KB


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Old January 2nd 04, 05:14 PM
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"Garrison Hilliard" wrote in message ...
Cub Driver wrote:

Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.


Might be a Brewster Buffalo of the Finnish Air Force. Hasse Wind was
credited with 22 victories flying BW-393, and other pilots with 16 on
the same aircraft, for a total of 38.


Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's Zekes, Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38 beats out that Brewster Buffalo (which, despite your fetish for it, still sucked as a fighter when pitted against contemporary fighters - which "Rata's", "Mosca's", and PO's weren't).


The gentleman is right. One Luftwaffe ace, Emil Lang, shot down 18
aircraft in one day alone in his aircraft. I'm sure his total in that
aircraft far exceeds the 38 mentioned above.

I think that the Tempest pilots also shot down large numbers of
aircraft too in a single day, but do V-1 robot bombs count? One source
claimed that a Tempest pilot shot down 21 robots in his aircraft.

Ariennya Romani
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Old January 2nd 04, 05:39 PM
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"Garrison Hilliard" wrote in message
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Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's Zekes,

Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38 beats out that Brewster
Buffalo (which, despite your fetish for it, still sucked as a fighter
when pitted against contemporary fighters - which "Rata's", "Mosca's",
and PO's weren't).

Galland flew for a long time, and there were _many_ improvements in
the BF109 over the course of the war. Are you suggesting that Galland
flew the _same_ 109 throughout the war?


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Old January 2nd 04, 06:56 PM
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In article k.net,
"Felger Carbon" wrote:

"Garrison Hilliard" wrote in message
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Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's
Zekes, Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38 beats out that
Brewster Buffalo (which, despite your fetish for it, still sucked
as a fighter when pitted against contemporary fighters - which
"Rata's", "Mosca's", and PO's weren't).


Galland flew for a long time, and there were _many_ improvements in
the BF109 over the course of the war. Are you suggesting that Galland
flew the _same_ 109 throughout the war?


He didn't.

He flew different BF-109E models up until about 1941 (they kept giving
him updated versions), then a few BF-109F variants (with custom
additions like extra armor and different weapons), a couple of missions
in an FW-190, and a few in the Me-262.

Galland was hard on planes. He actually bent a prop on a French fighter
once.

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Slam on brakes accordingly.
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Old January 2nd 04, 10:22 PM
Cub Driver
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Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's Zekes, Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38


Ah, but can you demonstrate that Galland or Bong got every victory on
the same aircraft? (Not type, remember. Aircraft.)

As for the Japanese, even a charitable cuss like me couldn't credit
them with any specific number of victories. Over Burma, I found that
JAAF overclaiming by 400 percent. In the first year of the year, John
Lundstrom found the JNAF overclaiming by 900 percent. Let's keep the
discussion to air forces that don't routinely overclaim by more than
200 percent

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