Rotation

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:27:32 GMT, "Allen"
wrote:


"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Allen writes:

I'm not a simmer but try pulling the left throttle to idle, right
throttle
wide open and then stall it :-)

Ahhh, what the heck... Why not also push the left rudder pedal to the
floor at the stall break?


Is this going to cause some sort of sim catastrophe?

No, just an exciting ride :-)

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Allen writes:

No, just an exciting ride :-)

I was unable to get the Baron to stall. A warning of some kind sounds
and the aircraft pitches forward each time I try to stall it. Since I
can't see the yoke in the sim, I don't know if the change in pitch is
a result of a stall or some sort of automated attempt to prevent it,
but in any case it's very irritating (although perhaps I'd be thankful
for it in real life?).

With one engine set to idle and pulling all the way back, the warning
sounds, the aircraft bounces forward and backward, and it eventually
meets the terrain in a rather lazy roll.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

I was unable to get the Baron to stall. A warning of some kind sounds
and the aircraft pitches forward each time I try to stall it.

What did you expect to happen when you stalled the airplane?

Allen,

I'm not a simmer but try pulling the left throttle to idle, right throttle
wide open and then stall it :-)


Sims don't sim that very well.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

John Gaquin writes:

What did you expect to happen when you stalled the airplane?

I expect it to lose altitude rapidly. Beyond that, it depends on the
design of the aircraft.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

What did you expect to happen when you stalled the airplane?

I expect it to lose altitude rapidly. Beyond that, it depends on the
design of the aircraft.

Well, in the category of "beyond that", in light aircraft the rapid
altitude loss is usually preceded and/or accompanied by an abrupt pitch
down. One caveat: there may be some newer light craft designs that don't
pitch too abruptly. I don't know about that. But in the great bulk of
light aircraft, such as the Baron you were discussing, there will be a nose
drop. I don't think you're dealing with a major design flaw in your sim
program, perhaps just a question of degree or intensity.

John Gaquin writes:

Well, in the category of "beyond that", in light aircraft the rapid
altitude loss is usually preceded and/or accompanied by an abrupt pitch
down. One caveat: there may be some newer light craft designs that don't
pitch too abruptly. I don't know about that. But in the great bulk of
light aircraft, such as the Baron you were discussing, there will be a nose
drop. I don't think you're dealing with a major design flaw in your sim
program, perhaps just a question of degree or intensity.

As long as the sim is faithful to the real aircraft, I'll deal with
it. I just want to make sure that it's not a sim artifact, as I don't
want to build bad habits based on errors in simulation, just in case I
ever actually do have an occasion to pilot a real aircraft.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Skywise writes:

Before I got the force feedback stick, trim didn't make sense
since you couldn't feel it in the controls.

The hundred bucks I spent on mine were well worth the enhanced
simulation experience. Flight is much smoother and landings
are greased much more often.

What brand and model of stick was this? And has it been reliable?


It's a Microsoft Force Feedback 2. It's been a while since I
bought it so it may not even be made anymore.

Brian
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in
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Snipola
I don't understand what non-force feedback joysticks you guys are using but
my MS stick is not force feedback and if I don't trim I have to move the
stick to a non-centered position which requires constant force to keep it
there. Are you guys using joysticks with no centering springs?

Mirosoft Force Feedback 2.

No springs. It has active servos powerful enough to whip the
stick out of your hand. But that usually only happens on the
third party aircraft I download that don't have the feedback
design done right. On the default aircraft in MSFS the feedback
can be strong and firm, but not violent.

Brian
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Skywise writes:

It's a Microsoft Force Feedback 2. It's been a while since I
bought it so it may not even be made anymore.

I note that PMDG recommends that you not use force feedback with their
aircraft. According to them, it's so far from the real aircraft that
it does more harm than good (at least for the large aircraft that they
model).

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