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  #41  
Old April 20th 05, 04:42 PM
Matt Barrow
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"aluckyguess" wrote:
If there was enough volume they could build the plane for less

than
50k.
It
would replace all the old Piper, Cessna and Beech 2 and 4 seat
aircraft.
They sell new cars for way less and there looks to be more work

in
a
new
car
than a small plane.

You have confused the auto business with the airplane business.
Auto
manufacturing allows economies of scale unatainable by aircraft

mfg.
And
remember, auto makers break even or lose money on many of their
models.

Like I said they just need the volume and it could be done.

Where is the demand going to come from? There are not enough

people
interested in flying their own planes to even come close to

providing
manufacturers any economy of scale.

At that price it would replace all of the current old 150 to180 size
aircraft.

An Arrow replace a 180? I don't think so.

Your right I should of said fixed gear aircraft.


I rest my case.

Boy, he certainly has done his market research.

Next he'll tell us how he can avoid FAA certification and parts STC's.



  #42  
Old April 20th 05, 04:51 PM
Matt Barrow
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"aluckyguess" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"aluckyguess" wrote in message
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"aluckyguess" wrote:
If there was enough volume they could build the plane for less than

50k.
It
would replace all the old Piper, Cessna and Beech 2 and 4 seat

aircraft.
They sell new cars for way less and there looks to be more work in a

new
car
than a small plane.

You have confused the auto business with the airplane business. Auto
manufacturing allows economies of scale unatainable by aircraft mfg.

And
remember, auto makers break even or lose money on many of their

models.

Like I said they just need the volume and it could be done.


Where is the demand going to come from? There are not enough people
interested in flying their own planes to even come close to providing
manufacturers any economy of scale.

At that price it would replace all of the current old 150 to180 size
aircraft.


They can't sell them as it is at $16-25K and you're going to sell them ones
at twice the price?

I was shocked when they were shipping seven 767 a month. I think it

actually
got to 10 or 11 at one point. There is a lot of pilots in the world.
I flew my wife to a quilting shop in San Deigo this last week end. I asked
the lady there how many of the $20,000 quilting machines they sold last
month I thought she would say one or two, they sold 11.


As they say, "Context is everything".

Just guessing, I guess.




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Old April 20th 05, 07:12 PM
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But how many would actually want a warrior?

  #44  
Old April 20th 05, 09:09 PM
Dave Stadt
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
...

"aluckyguess" wrote:
If there was enough volume they could build the plane for

less
than
50k.
It
would replace all the old Piper, Cessna and Beech 2 and 4

seat
aircraft.
They sell new cars for way less and there looks to be more

work
in
a
new
car
than a small plane.

You have confused the auto business with the airplane

business.
Auto
manufacturing allows economies of scale unatainable by

aircraft
mfg.
And
remember, auto makers break even or lose money on many of

their
models.

Like I said they just need the volume and it could be done.

Where is the demand going to come from? There are not enough

people
interested in flying their own planes to even come close to

providing
manufacturers any economy of scale.

At that price it would replace all of the current old 150 to180

size
aircraft.

An Arrow replace a 180? I don't think so.
Your right I should of said fixed gear aircraft.


I rest my case.

Boy, he certainly has done his market research.

Next he'll tell us how he can avoid FAA certification and parts STC's.


Maybe he has an STC for a 180RG.


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Old April 20th 05, 09:10 PM
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"John T" wrote in message
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But how many would actually want a warrior?


Not me at any price.




  #46  
Old April 21st 05, 07:23 PM
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 01:16:01 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote in ::

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:03:01 -0700, "aluckyguess" wrote in
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It will never have the speed of a Glassair.


For the CarterCopter to achieve the speed of a Glassair, would require
considerable power I believe. There's also the stability issue of the
rotor disk in the relative wind at high speed to address. It would
take a cleaver fellow in deed to successfully meet Carter's goals.
But I wouldn't characterize them as impossible.



Here's some more information about the subject TV broadcast:



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AVflash Volume 11, Number 16b -- April 21, 2005

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YOUR NEXT CAR COULD BE AN AIRCRAFT...
Flying cars are back in the news this week, thanks to Nevada
inventor Woody Norris, who is working on an ultralight helicopter
called the AirScooter. Norris has won a prestigious inventors'
award -- for his work in acoustics, not aviation -- and he and his
flying machine were featured in Sunday night's "60 Minutes" show
on CBS. Norris has developed a new four-stroke engine for his
AirScooter, which has two counter-rotating rotors, and he says it
is stable and easy to control. A video clip at his Web site shows
the single-seat AirScooter taking off vertically, maneuvering just
a few feet above the ground and returning to its launch site. An
unmanned version is also in the works. Norris says AirScooters
will be available for sale later this year at $50,000 apiece.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#189613


60 Minutes personality, Ed Bradley, was able to get the AirScooter*
undercontrol in a few minutes of practice. This looks like the one to
watch in the short term.


...DEEP POCKETS COULD MAKE THE DIFFERENCE
"60 Minutes" also looked at the CarterCopter and the Moller
SkyCar. The CarterCopter prototype has been flying off and on for
a few years, but was sidelined by a wheels-up landing and then by
an in-flight fire. SkyCar inventor Paul Moller says his futuristic
vehicle will fly like a "magic carpet," but so far it has
test-flown only while tethered to a crane. But it probably comes
closest to the Jetson-style flying car that people imagine the
future should bring. Michael Kanellos, of CNET News, speculated
last week that flying cars could be the next thing to attract the
attention -- and the assets -- of the high-tech billionaires and
entrepreneurs who have been funding much of the new space
industry.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#189614


Perhaps these folks should be contacted regarding the latest
developments in this area of aviation:
http://www.venturewire.com/Default.aspx


* http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_main.htm
  #47  
Old April 23rd 05, 09:25 AM
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Aluckyguess,

The plane can be built for the price its the untangibles that might cause
the problem like liability insurance. If thats 50k a plane than it cant be
done.


Which is why everybody except you is too dumb to figure it out?


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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

  #48  
Old April 24th 05, 01:45 AM
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Aluckyguess,

The plane can be built for the price its the untangibles that might cause
the problem like liability insurance. If thats 50k a plane than it cant
be
done.


Which is why everybody except you is too dumb to figure it out?


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Ya I guess your right. Looks like Diamond Stars are going to be made in
China. How much do you think that plane is going to cost to build.
Your probably right it cant be done. Oh wait isn't someone building a 6
passenger jet for around 1 million. I think they said that couldn't be done
either.


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Old April 24th 05, 01:52 AM
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"aluckyguess" wrote in message
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Ya I guess your right. Looks like Diamond Stars are going to be made in
China. How much do you think that plane is going to cost to build.
Your probably right it cant be done. Oh wait isn't someone building a 6
passenger jet for around 1 million. I think they said that couldn't be

done
either.


Isn't for sale yet.

Oddly, those numbers usually explode, the closer they get to delivery.

Let's wait and se if they can deliver it for $1M without taking massive
losses to do so.



Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO


  #50  
Old April 24th 05, 04:53 AM
Dave Stadt
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"aluckyguess" wrote in message
...

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Aluckyguess,

The plane can be built for the price its the untangibles that might

cause
the problem like liability insurance. If thats 50k a plane than it cant
be
done.


Which is why everybody except you is too dumb to figure it out?


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Ya I guess your right. Looks like Diamond Stars are going to be made in
China. How much do you think that plane is going to cost to build.
Your probably right it cant be done. Oh wait isn't someone building a 6
passenger jet for around 1 million. I think they said that couldn't be

done
either.


It has not been done and I will give 10 to 1 it will not be done. Did ya
find the 180 RG yet?




 




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