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It pays to pay attention. Geezz I wonder how in the world we all got
along before everyone had radios and had to call everyone in the world before we did anything........ What the hell is wrong with pilots these days? grumpy old gray haired fart pilot who learned in the 50's ...... |
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"Joe Johnson" wrote in message ... Me: 240 hr PP-ASEL, minding my own business, doing touch & goes at an untowered field, and scrupulously calling my position in every leg of the pattern. The offender: pilot of a small Citation jet. I saw the Citation taxiing toward the active as I was downwind. I watched the plane carefully (suspiciously) as there was never any transmission on the CTAF frequency. I listened to departure on my second radio; he/she wasn't on that frequency either. When I turned base, the Citation was at the hold short line adjacent to the active threshold. As I was on 1/4 to 1/2 mile final, the Citation suddenly took the runway and started the takeoff roll; nary a radio call was heard. Prepared for this, I did a 360, landed, and got the tail number from an airport employee. Should I report this to the FAA? If so, how? When in the course of an aviation career does someone become so complacent that they don't say "boo" before taking an active runway? We all see lots of idiot drivers on the road. I used to think aviation was different, both because the training is more rigorous and because the stakes are so much higher. With all the idiotic and careless mistakes I read about in NTSB accident reports, I'm beginning to wonder. Thanks for reading--I'm a little less upset after having written this down. I posted a while back about a Gulf Jet that did that to me at my local untowered field. I didn't do anything, because everyone makes a mistake...once. If it happens again, I'll definitely report it. I'd like to think that if I ever made a mistake (wrong frequency, etc), someone would cut me some slack. Adam N7966L Beech Super III |
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"Robert Coffey" wrote in message news:NvwUd.64289$wc.37428@trnddc07... are radio calls mandatory on uncontrolled fields? No. |
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"Joe Johnson" wrote in message ... Should I report this to the FAA? If so, how? When in the course of an aviation career does someone become so complacent that they don't say "boo" before taking an active runway? If you report it, it's your word against his. Whose to say you were on the right frequency? Or that you didn't have the volume turned down because you were listening to AWOS on the other radio? My feeling is never involve the FAA in anything if avoidable. Michael |
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Michael 182 wrote:
If you report it, it's your word against his. Whose to say you were on the right frequency? Or that you didn't have the volume turned down because you were listening to AWOS on the other radio? It really is irrelevant whether the OP and/or the pilot of the Citation were on the correct frequency. The OP could have been a nordo Cub. The claim that the Citation pilot allegedly entered the runway in front of an aircraft on short final is the issue being discussed here. -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Peter R." wrote in message ... Michael 182 wrote: If you report it, it's your word against his. Whose to say you were on the right frequency? Or that you didn't have the volume turned down because you were listening to AWOS on the other radio? It really is irrelevant whether the OP and/or the pilot of the Citation were on the correct frequency. The OP could have been a nordo Cub. The claim that the Citation pilot allegedly entered the runway in front of an aircraft on short final is the issue being discussed here. -- Peter Good point - I missed that on the original post. However, I'd still avoid the FAA at all costs... Michael |
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"Peter R." wrote in message ... It really is irrelevant whether the OP and/or the pilot of the Citation were on the correct frequency. The OP could have been a nordo Cub. The claim that the Citation pilot allegedly entered the runway in front of an aircraft on short final is the issue being discussed here. What's short final? Aircraft enter runways and takeoff in front of aircraft on final regularly without mishap. I believe the OP said he was on a on 1/4 to 1/2 mile final. Maybe. Maybe not. Many pilots are absolutely horrible at judging distance. There may have been plenty of room. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
I believe the OP said he was on a on 1/4 to 1/2 mile final. Maybe. Maybe not. Many pilots are absolutely horrible at judging distance. There may have been plenty of room. Hence my use of the word "allegedly." -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net... "Robert Coffey" wrote in message news:NvwUd.64289$wc.37428@trnddc07... are radio calls mandatory on uncontrolled fields? No. Those of you who fly to Canada: .... be aware that designated uncontrolled airports DO have a Mandatory Frequency (MF) assigned, listening watch is to be maintained on that frequency within the specified radius of the airport, and calling procedures must be followed, whether or not there is a ground station of any type. "Calling procedures" normally include statement of intentions at least 5 minutes before entering the area, and report of joining the pattern, downwind, final, and clear of runway. On departure, report intentions before taking the runway, taking the runway, and departing the pattern. a/c on IFR approaches have their own rules with respect to reporting fixes. Such airports are shown on the Canadian VFR charts with an M and the frequency in the lower right-hand portion of the airport descriptor box, as in: M122.3, for example. It is also my understanding than any controlled airport where the tower operates less than 24/7, operates as a MF airport during any period when the tower is not in operation. |
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As I was on 1/4 to
1/2 mile final, the Citation suddenly took the runway and started the takeoff roll; nary a radio call was heard. Prepared for this, I did a 360, landed, and got the tail number from an airport employee. Should I report this to the FAA? No. It might be worth a NASA report, but AFAICS no FAA regs were broken, and "careless and reckless" doesn't seem to apply. Half mile final in a cherokee (for example) is thirty seconds to touchdown. In that thirty seconds the citation would be in the air and not a factor. It is not a requirement to talk on the radio at an untowered field (and it shouldn't be). It is possible he didn't see you, had the wrong frequency, your radios were turned down, you misjudged distance, any number of things. You might (since you got the tail number) send the owner a note expressing your concern, in case it's an "oops" on his part that he didn't realize. It can be anonymous if you like - the important thing is that he get the message that (maybe) he cut it too close. But in this circumstance I don't see what calling the FAA out on him would accomplish. Jose -- Nothing is more powerful than a commercial interest. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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