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"ArVa" wrote in message
... "Allen Thomson" a écrit dans le message de om... Anybody know what this is or was? http://www.darkstar.ukonline.co.uk/patch2.jpg You might try this impressive site : http://www.usafpatches.com, but you'd better brew a gallon of coffee first as there are literally thousands of patches (some of them, expecially the "morale" ones, are gems). The guy's "want list" is still pretty long though, so maybe you should also ask him. ArVa Save your time. It's the patch of the Vatican's Joint Jesuit/Benedictine Strike Force out of the Holy Trinity Monastery in St. David, Arizona. Joe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:15:34 -0400, Joe Osman wrote:
Save your time. It's the patch of the Vatican's Joint Jesuit/Benedictine Strike Force out of the Holy Trinity Monastery in St. David, Arizona. And since you blabbed it all over Usenet they'll have to kill you. -Jeff B. (putting the shiny side out and sipping non-fluoridated water) yeff at erols dot com |
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"ArVa" wrote
You might try this impressive site : http://www.usafpatches.com, Done, at the suggestion of someone upthread. Patch submitted for ID or posting. but you'd better brew a gallon of coffee first as there are literally thousands of patches (some of them, expecially the "morale" ones, are gems). I spent most of yesterday morning enjoying the site. A couple of patches seem to have escaped from BYEMAN channels, somewhat to my surprise. (An NRO launch patch showing a DRAGON holding a CRYSTAL -- what could that ever be?) |
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ...
"Allen Thomson" wrote in message om... Ed Rasimus wrote: "George Z. Bush" wrote: Just as a WAG, I think it's probably safe to say that whatever its origins, they are more than likely NOT American. I thought that initially as well, BTW, just out of curiosity, honest question, what is there about the patch that calls into doubt its American provenance? Let's turn the thing around. What is there about the patch that establishes its American provenance? Whatever the language in use is, it doesn't even appear to be English! Nothing. Latin is neither an American, British, nor Air Force provenance. It's an army provenance. |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:07:40 GMT, Mike Williamson
wrote: George wrote: Mary Shafer wrote in message . .. How about Holloman, not Davis-Monthan? There are F-117s at Holloman. Mary There's Air Force Spec Ops at Davis Monthan. Well, there are the rescue squadrons here, but I don't recall ever seeing that patch here. On another note, Air Force unit patches are typically (almost universally, as far as I have seen) round, rather than triangular. The AZ National Guard units have a non-round patch, but that is in the shape of the State of Arizona. I think that's because round patches are cheaper. I used to be on the Dryden Exchange Committee, which ran our gift shop, and that was something we suggested to patch designers to keep costs down. I have a translation from rec.org.sca now. The "de multe nocte noli rogare" is, approximately, "Don't ask what we do late at night" and "classis caece" is "invisible or secret military group or fleet", which may be "stealth squadron". So I'm going with the 49th at Holloman AFB. Mary On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 00:04:46 -0400, "Brian M. Scott" wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:05:14 -0400 Leigh wrote in news:aSjcc.17163$of.7246@lakeread03 in rec.org.sca: Mary Shafer wrote: There's a military patch that has many people in another newsgroup I frequent quite curious. The standard of Latin scholarship is quite low there, so I thought I ask here. You can see the patch at http://www.darkstar.ukonline.co.uk/patch2.jpg. Embroidered on the border of the black triangular patch is CLASSIS CAECE (top point) DE MULTE NOCTE (bottom left) NOLI ROGARE (bottom right), all readable in the usual orientation. The phrases are separated by three ghosts or spooks, on the order of the bullies in Casper, The center of the patch has a globe showing the Americas with a star at about Holloman AFB (or any of a number of other bases). The combination of ghosts or spooks, the reference to "late at night" (multe nocte), and the star have led me to believe that this patch is that of some component of the 49th Air Wing, which flies the F-117 at night from Holloman. I add this information purely as a guess, but thought it might be helpful. The spooks and CLASSIS CAECE 'invisible fleet' pretty clearly mark it as the badge of some intelligence-oriented unit, I should think. I should mention that this may not be the best Latin in the world. well, I'm not a latin scholar or anything (and the one online translation website that did Latin English seems to have changed it's policy, *Sigh*), but... Looking at the patch I think you have to take DE MULTE NOCTE + NOLI ROGARE as one unit which would be roughly: 'do not ask (what we do) in the course of/during many nights' I think rather 'Do not ask (what we do) late at night'. Best I could get out of CLASSIS CAECE was 'a hidden group of the military' ('Classis' being in one sense either 'group' or 'the armed forces' generally) Mind you most of the words ending in 'e' should probably be ending in 'ae' (at least when looking at the roots of the words that was the closest, at least according to the interactive online latin dictionary I was looking through). Yes: where Classical Latin has ae, medieval Latin often has just e, especially in inflexional endings. Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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"Joe Osman" wrote
Save your time. It's the patch of the Vatican's Joint Jesuit/Benedictine Strike Force out of the Holy Trinity Monastery in St. David, Arizona. Heh. I grew up not far from St. David, we'd pass through it driving to Tucson. A nice little place it was at the time (1950s-1960s). Sometime around 1960 a bunch of folks set up an enclave near there to await the Second Coming. Probably just a cover for the VJJBSF/HTM. Of course, around the same time, another group was awaiting the S.C. down on the border close to Ft. Huachuca. Those things were hard to sort out. |
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Mary Shafer wrote:
: Well, there are the rescue squadrons here, but I don't recall ever : seeing that patch here. On another note, Air Force unit patches : are typically (almost universally, as far as I have seen) round, : rather than triangular. The AZ National Guard units have a non-round : patch, but that is in the shape of the State of Arizona. : :I think that's because round patches are cheaper. I used to be on the ryden Exchange Committee, which ran our gift shop, and that was :something we suggested to patch designers to keep costs down. : :I have a translation from rec.org.sca now. The "de multe nocte noli :rogare" is, approximately, "Don't ask what we do late at night" and :"classis caece" is "invisible or secret military group or fleet", :which may be "stealth squadron". : :So I'm going with the 49th at Holloman AFB. Probably right. I never paid attention to what was on it, but I could swear that at least one F-117 squadron has the triangular patches. I happened to spend some time sitting in a large room where there were also some green bags from a stealth squadron. The Navy also uses at least some triangular patches, by the way. I used to wear one. -- "This is a war of the unknown warriors; but let all strive without failing in faith or in duty...." -- Winston Churchill |
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The Navy also uses at least some triangular patches, by the way. I
used to wear one. Yes Fred, Navy "Wing" patches are triangular. Larry AECS (AW/SW/MTS) Disabled Combat Veteran USN 'Retired' "Fred J. McCall" wrote in message news Mary Shafer wrote: : Well, there are the rescue squadrons here, but I don't recall ever : seeing that patch here. On another note, Air Force unit patches : are typically (almost universally, as far as I have seen) round, : rather than triangular. The AZ National Guard units have a non-round : patch, but that is in the shape of the State of Arizona. : :I think that's because round patches are cheaper. I used to be on the ryden Exchange Committee, which ran our gift shop, and that was :something we suggested to patch designers to keep costs down. : :I have a translation from rec.org.sca now. The "de multe nocte noli :rogare" is, approximately, "Don't ask what we do late at night" and :"classis caece" is "invisible or secret military group or fleet", :which may be "stealth squadron". : :So I'm going with the 49th at Holloman AFB. Probably right. I never paid attention to what was on it, but I could swear that at least one F-117 squadron has the triangular patches. I happened to spend some time sitting in a large room where there were also some green bags from a stealth squadron. The Navy also uses at least some triangular patches, by the way. I used to wear one. -- "This is a war of the unknown warriors; but let all strive without failing in faith or in duty...." -- Winston Churchill |
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Dweezil Dwarftosser wrote:
I've never been in a USAF wing with an emblem that didn't display the wing motto in Latin. I've seen one or two historical unit patches that had the motto in French - but these units likely had originated there in WW I. ....NEVER in English. Well, I wish I could say the same, but the 355th Wing at DM has their motto in English-- "Our Might Always," which might actually sound decent in Latin, but is absolutely awful sitting there in English on the patch... Mike |
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Mary Shafer wrote
So I'm going with the 49th at Holloman AFB. I checked with the 49th this morning and they responded with admirable speed, saying, From: To: "Allen Thomson" Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Request for help with patch identification Mr. Thomson, I forwarded the patch the the 49th FW history office. They researched it and could not find it being associated with the 49th FW at any time. Many thanks, XXXX NCOIC, 49 FW / Public Affairs (I've XXXXed out the name of the person who responded.) |
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