Spin Training

C.J.

The gentleman weighs 300 lbs. Do you think he is so large around the
middle that he can't get the yoke full back against the stop?

Big John

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:28:44 -0700, "C J Campbell"
wrote:

Most of the time when people are having trouble with entering a spin they
are not holding the yoke far enough back.

Most FBOs do instrument
training in their 172s (and everything else) and therefor prohibit
CFIs from spining the crap out of the gyros.

I discovered this to be the case at Chandler. One of the reasons I
went out there was to fly a Super Cub, and naturally I wanted to do
the spin training in the PA-18 as well. But they don't allow the Super
Cub to be spun, for just the reason you advance.

At home, we're not permitted to spin the J-3 Cubs, either, but not
because of the gyros The feel is that the planes are too old.

(However, my first CFI learned in the Marine Corps, and he taught from
the same book that taught him. He spun the Cub with me in the back
seat after just a few lessons. It's a very different experience, being
in a closed airplane in the back seat, than to be in the front cockpit
of a Great Lakes with double seat belts and a parachute

all the best -- Dan Ford
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In article , Cub Driver
wrote:

Most FBOs do instrument
training in their 172s (and everything else) and therefor prohibit
CFIs from spining the crap out of the gyros.
I discovered this to be the case at Chandler. One of the reasons I
went out there was to fly a Super Cub, and naturally I wanted to do
the spin training in the PA-18 as well. But they don't allow the Super
Cub to be spun, for just the reason you advance.
At home, we're not permitted to spin the J-3 Cubs, either, but not
because of the gyros The feel is that the planes are too old.

It's not the spin that will damage the airplane, it is poor pilot
technique in the recovery that allows the airspeed to increase an pull
too hard in the level off.

If you haven't recovered an airframe in 20 years, you probably don't
want to spin it until you have stripped the airframe and examined it
carefully. Fabric hides lots of corrosion and cracks or breaks.

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Robert M. Gary wrote:

BTW: As a CFI I find the biggest obstacle to spin training is finding
a plane that the owner will let you spin. Most FBOs do instrument
training in their 172s (and everything else) and therefor prohibit
CFIs from spining the crap out of the gyros.

Is wrecking the gyros really a problem with 'modern' gyros, though? (By
modern I mean anything from the 1970s on...)

At my flight school/club, all the planes are used for IFR training, AND
they're all spinnable, except for the one 172 w/ Horton STOL tips &
fences. Tell our Chief Flying Instructor that you're taking a 152 or 172
up for airwork including spins, and he'll just tell you to have a good
flight...

I almost get the impression that 'spinning wrecks gyros' is one of those
old, old stories that's still hanging around, based perhaps on 1940-50s
era gyros, which really would tumble/get damanged if spun. Is this the
instrument equivilent of the 'downwind turn' OWT?

Brian.

"Big John" wrote in message
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C.J.

The gentleman weighs 300 lbs. Do you think he is so large around the
middle that he can't get the yoke full back against the stop?


Could be.

Big John wrote in message . ..
C.J.

The gentleman weighs 300 lbs. Do you think he is so large around the
middle that he can't get the yoke full back against the stop?

Big John


LOL. I'm also 6'6. I'm large...but not *that* large. No, the problem
seems to be, as Cessna states in its POH, that most weight
distributions when a 172 is loaded in 'utility' category will prevent
the formation of a fully formed spin. It will drop the wing, enter the
incipient phase of the spin, the pop right out.

Anyway, we found a plane that *would* spin, and spun the hekc out og
her. Great fun....can't wait to take her up and spin her some more.

Just as an aside tho, it seems to me one would have to be *stunningly*
fat to prevent the full travel of a 172 yoke.

Cheers,

Cap

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:28:44 -0700, "C J Campbell"
wrote:

Most of the time when people are having trouble with entering a spin they
are not holding the yoke far enough back.