Pilot Training Contract

"aluckyguess" wrote in message Well I have a way to go before I can
apply.

Forget about those programs. Flight instruct for a while. Work your way into
a charter job. The bigger regionals will hire you without a stupid contract.

D.

"Bravo8500" wrote in message
The only FAR I had in mind would be the validity of my medical if I
find I'm under all this stress. It's probably a far stretch. What about
the fact that I was never shown a typical schedule until IOE, which
includes about 15hours in uniform for three days each?

Be a man! Admit that you could not hack it. Offer them their money back.
Hold yourself personally accountable!

D.

"houstondan" wrote in message
ups.com...
i expect everybody is right about your chances of getting out of the
contract. you have not said but i expect it's written as an
employment OR training contract . if you decide to walk it then the
companys lawyers will try to make a guess at how much you're worth
before they stack the billing. if they give you a discovery demand
that looks like the new york phone directory then they've decided
you've got some money and 3 senior lawyers and several helpers will
show up at the first disposition, happily talking about baseball and
such.
then again....are you familiar with the term "judgment-proof"?

dan


Yep, Dan has it right! but he forgot to tell you that Discovery can be very
very costly also lots of your time sitting in a gathering documents
responding with 3 or more copy's of every thing. If they go after you at the
federal level then the venue can be held very far away at your districts
court house or the district the contract was signed in then you have travel
expenses. If you don't show they get a default for full amount + their
attorney fees. If their attorneys on the east coast and you are on the west
coast each disposition if the attorneys come to you can lead to the
thousands of dollars because attorneys get paid from portal to portal and do
you think they travel coach? and sleep in a motel 8? don't think so! If you
signed a contract abide by it or pay the contract off very simple.

"Capt.Doug" wrote in message
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"Bravo8500" wrote in message
The only FAR I had in mind would be the validity of my medical if I
find I'm under all this stress. It's probably a far stretch. What about
the fact that I was never shown a typical schedule until IOE, which
includes about 15hours in uniform for three days each?

Be a man! Admit that you could not hack it. Offer them their money back.
Hold yourself personally accountable!

D.



Capt.Doug said it all, well said Capt.Doug

Disrespectable's not all bad.


If that is where you want to stop your career, then go for it. But if you think
working a 15 hour day is stressful, try flying an ill-maintained airplane in
hard IMC at night at one of these not all bad disrespectable outfits that just
as soon spit on you than anything else.
Welcome to the real world.




-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

"Ditch" wrote in message
...
Disrespectable's not all bad.


If that is where you want to stop your career, then go for it. But if you
think
working a 15 hour day is stressful, try flying an ill-maintained airplane
in
hard IMC at night at one of these not all bad disrespectable outfits that
just
as soon spit on you than anything else.
Welcome to the real world.




-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or
North
American*


John, I have found that most people that complain about how stressful their
jobs are have never lived on the streets and have never been forced to eat
out of a trash can to survive! They are the same people that are selfish and
don't give all year around to help their fellow humans survive. This guy
needs to fess up that he needs to complete the contract he signed or pay up
that's it, maybe this guy needs to learn a lesson or two about how not to be
a pansy/flake and get his balls busted by corporate scum once in his life!

"NW_PILOT" wrote:

Yep, Dan has it right! but he forgot to tell you that Discovery can
be very
costly also lots of your time sitting in a gathering documents...

What exact documents in your possession and of possible interest to
the other side, to be approved by the Court, would be relevant here?
You simply quit. Contract says you owe $5,000 if you do so
prematurely.

If they go after you at the federal level...

Where is automatic federal jurisdiction here in this private,
contractual matter? Doesn't really matter...see below.

If their attorneys on the east coast and you are on the west
coast each disposition if the attorneys come to you can lead
to the thousands of dollars because attorneys get paid from
portal to portal and do you think they travel coach?

Huh? You mean "deposition," also as approved by the court. Your atty
can inform the Court of your position pre-trial in this simple matter
and better do so truthfully and carefully, as your testimony may come
later on trial date. Venue and jurisdiction is covered by basic law,
including considerations of travel burdens on you. It could easily be
the County where you live and commuted to work, until breach of
performance occurred when you stopped doing so. It doesn't really
matter. Each party must be represented, unless pro se, by attys
admitted to the bar where the suit is filed, so each engages local
counsel and could be more expensive for the employer in this case.

Fred F.

Work out a payment plan before your costs soar to the point that you are
broke until you die.

Bravo8500 wrote:

I signed a training contract with a small 121 airline as first officer
(19 pax turbo prop). I left just before training was finished (after my
first round of IOE) because I felt the job was too stressful for me to
accomplish safely, and that's what I told them when I left. They want
to sue me now for breach of contract, saying I left voluntarily. I'm
thinking it's a conflict of interest for them to create financial
pressure on a pilot to remain in a position against his best judgment.
What if I couldn't afford to pay the money and stayed, and caused an
accident? I hope you don't mind this legal-type question. Any advice?
Bravo8500

You signed a financial obligation for some very pricey training. You
have already left the position. You rightfully owe the contracting
company some $$$.

You have quite a bit of marketable experience that you can take and use
to make good on a minimum wage job at a competing carrier

And.. you DID leave voluntarily.

What kind of accident would you have planned on causing (considering all
the other links in the system that are supposed to be there to protect
you and crew and passengers)?

Dave

Bravo8500 wrote:
I signed a training contract with a small 121 airline as first officer
(19 pax turbo prop). I left just before training was finished (after my
first round of IOE) because I felt the job was too stressful for me to
accomplish safely, and that's what I told them when I left. They want
to sue me now for breach of contract, saying I left voluntarily. I'm
thinking it's a conflict of interest for them to create financial
pressure on a pilot to remain in a position against his best judgment.
What if I couldn't afford to pay the money and stayed, and caused an
accident? I hope you don't mind this legal-type question. Any advice?
Bravo8500