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Dan wrote:
If going into actual combat is all that makes a man respectable then it's safe to assume you don't respect your ground crew and all the men who put you in a servicable airplane. Someone had to be cooks, clerical staff, truck drivers..etc. Have not read Art's stuff before? He doesn't respect the service of the above mentioned personnel. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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"Steve Mellenthin" wrote
I get the feeling somehow that our friend JFkerry wasn't as committed to service as he was to self. Sorta seems as if he couldn't wait to get back to the States to campaign and help out his little friend Janie. It's telling that a soldier like Senator Dole quit the senate to run for President, and JFKerry who is keeping a backup plan. His attendance record is really hurting his state, but it is another form of self-service. |
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"Ian MacLure" wrote
(WalterM140) wrote Whence he graduated in circa 1970. And the draft ended when exactly? Hmmm? Edwards in 51 YO. That would put him in the 1971 HS class. The draft ended in 1972. So explain how he graduated from a 4 yr college in 1974. Did he have a time machine? Summer School? CLEP? |
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Ed Rasimus ) writes:
-snip- And, you really might want to look up the duration of Mr. Gore's overseas assignment. Everything I've seen sez it was early January, '71 through late May, '71 with a scheduled discharge date of August 5, '71. You have information to the contrary? Here's a quote: "When they finally came, he would spend less than five months in Vietnam, arriving on Jan. 8, 1971, to write newspaper and magazine articles. He was discharged on May 24, 1971." (The Washington Times National Weekly Edition Nov. 28 - Dec. 4, 1994) I said Gore spent 151 days of a year tour. You replied that he only got a two-month curtailment. The difference would be 151 days (Jan-May???) versus 10 months x 30 days or 300 days. I think the Washington Times dates, my statement, and your "Everything I've seen sez" all indicate that your asssertion of a two month curtailment was incorrect. So, we have information to the contrary. I'm really trying to understand your point, Ed, and I'm apparently missing it completely. Gore had, at most, a seven month tour. Gove's enlistment was up on August 5, 1971. As I don't think they were doing "stop-loses" in that era and certainly not for folks with journalist MOSs, Gove was NOT going to be in VN after early August in any event. If he was discharged May 24, he served in VN two months and 12 days less than the maximum he might have served there. As to why he didn't arrive in VN until January 8, that would seem a differnet question but one which seems largely irrelevant. There seems little dispute that he in fact -did- volunteer for assignment to VN. It was certainly not unknown for the Army bureaucracy to take its own sweet time between the receipt of a re-assignment request and the time the orders were actually cut. Cheers, -- "Cave ab homine unius libri" |
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Ian MacLure ) writes:
(WalterM140) wrote in : Whence he graduated in circa 1970. And the draft ended when exactly? Hmmm? Edwards in 51 YO. That would put him in the 1971 HS class. The draft ended in 1972. So explain how he graduated from a 4 yr college in 1974. Did he have a time machine? Not a trick - I entered Oregon State in the summer of '67 and graduated in May '70. Attend summer school and take one extra class a term and you've more than enough credits to graduate in 3 years - or even less. Not saying Edwards did that, but it was certainly possible. Cheers, -- "Cave ab homine unius libri" |
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"Bill Shatzer" wrote in message ... I had thought that was exactly the problem with the F-102; that it was NOT area ruled. The YF-102 was not area ruled, the YF-102A and later models were. My quick and dirty reference (the one which most readily falls to hand) indicates that the F-102 had a max speed of 825 mph with a J57-P engine, The F-106 is listed with a max speed of 1,530 mph with the the same J57-P engine. Something has to be going on there with the aerodynamics to account for an 85% increase in speed with essentially the same engine producing essentially the same thrust. They didn't use the same engine, the F-106 used the J75-P-17. |
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