"Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey"

Dallas Morning News
June 12, 2007

Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey

Pentagon shows off V-22 at ceremony in hopes of reducing cost for U.S.

By Richard Whittle, Special Contributor to The Dallas Morning News

RIDLEY PARK, Pa. * Confident the V-22 Osprey will do well when it goes
into combat for the first time this fall in Iraq, Pentagon officials
are already courting foreign buyers for the Texas-built tilt-rotor
troop transport, the program director said Monday.

Britain and Israel are among nations keenly interested in the
helicopter-airplane hybrid, Marine Col. Matthew Mulhern told reporters
at a ceremony to mark completion of the 100th Osprey fuselage by
Boeing Co., which builds the V-22 with Bell Helicopter Textron Inc. of
Fort Worth.

About 2,500 people work on the Osprey for Bell in Fort Worth and
Amarillo.

The Naval Air Systems Command put on a V-22 demonstration last month
at Patuxent River, Md., for representatives from 16 nations as part of
an effort to stir up foreign interest.

The event was held in lieu of sending an Osprey to this month's Paris
Air Show, the world's largest aviation trade fair, Col. Mulhern said.

The Navy wants to gin up foreign sales because they would reduce the
cost of V-22s bought by U.S. forces. The current price is about $71
million, not counting development costs going back to 1983, when the
program began.

"There's a lot of interest," Col. Mulhern said. "I think everybody is
waiting to see how it does on this deployment."

The Marine Corps is sending a squadron of 10 Ospreys to Iraq in
September to carry troops into combat, evacuate the wounded and fly
other missions in the place of CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters. The
Osprey can fly about twice as fast and three times as far as a CH-46.

The seven-month deployment by Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 263
could make or break the reputation of the Osprey, which was nearly
canceled after two fatal crashes in 2000.

Critics insist the aircraft is unsafe and too costly. The Marines say
it is ready for combat.

Combat "is what we are going to use this aircraft for," Marine Lt.
Gen. John Castellaw, deputy commandant for aviation, told an audience
of Boeing workers and guests at the ceremony. "It is what it was built
for."

Telling a group of young enlisted Marines in the audience to stand,
Gen.
Castellaw urged Boeing workers to "remember the faces that you're
looking at now, knowing that they're going to be flying against an
enemy that's trying to kill them so that they can eventually kill you.
And with that in mind, produce the best quality airplane possible."

The Marines are buying 360 Ospreys. The Air Force is buying 50 for
special operations.

The Navy is still considering whether to go ahead with a long-term
plan to buy 48 for special missions.

Bell-Boeing and Col. Mulhern's office hope to agree by the end of the
year on a five-year contract for 167 more Ospreys. The deal could save
$400 million by stabilizing prices, Col. Mulhern said.

The production schedule under the proposed multiyear contract would
leave room for Bell-Boeing to produce an additional three Ospreys per
year for the Marines or Air Force or for any foreign buyers, though
Col. Mulhern said foreign sales were some years away.

Pentagon, State Department and congressional approvals are needed, and
"it's a few years before the process will start," he said. "I don't
think it's 10 years away, but it's not next year."

Mike wrote:
Dallas Morning News
June 12, 2007

Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey

Pentagon shows off V-22 at ceremony in hopes of reducing cost for U.S.

By Richard Whittle, Special Contributor to The Dallas Morning News

RIDLEY PARK, Pa. * Confident the V-22 Osprey will do well when it goes
into combat for the first time this fall in Iraq, Pentagon officials
are already courting foreign buyers for the Texas-built tilt-rotor
troop transport, the program director said Monday.

Britain and Israel are among nations keenly interested in the
helicopter-airplane hybrid, Marine Col. Matthew Mulhern told reporters
at a ceremony to mark completion of the 100th Osprey fuselage by
Boeing Co., which builds the V-22 with Bell Helicopter Textron Inc. of
Fort Worth.

About 2,500 people work on the Osprey for Bell in Fort Worth and
Amarillo.

The Naval Air Systems Command put on a V-22 demonstration last month
at Patuxent River, Md., for representatives from 16 nations as part of
an effort to stir up foreign interest.

The event was held in lieu of sending an Osprey to this month's Paris
Air Show, the world's largest aviation trade fair, Col. Mulhern said.

The Navy wants to gin up foreign sales because they would reduce the
cost of V-22s bought by U.S. forces. The current price is about $71
million, not counting development costs going back to 1983, when the
program began.

wait a minute

The navy (not the manufacturer) the navy is pushing foreign sales?
talk about conflict of interest.


"There's a lot of interest," Col. Mulhern said. "I think everybody is
waiting to see how it does on this deployment."

The Marine Corps is sending a squadron of 10 Ospreys to Iraq in
September to carry troops into combat, evacuate the wounded and fly
other missions in the place of CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters. The
Osprey can fly about twice as fast and three times as far as a CH-46.

and much faster and further than a donkey but so what?
lots of helicopters fly faster and further than the CH 46 and dont cast
71 million

The seven-month deployment by Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 263
could make or break the reputation of the Osprey, which was nearly
canceled after two fatal crashes in 2000.

Critics insist the aircraft is unsafe and too costly. The Marines say
it is ready for combat.

Combat "is what we are going to use this aircraft for," Marine Lt.
Gen. John Castellaw, deputy commandant for aviation, told an audience
of Boeing workers and guests at the ceremony. "It is what it was built
for."


its a delivery truck

Telling a group of young enlisted Marines in the audience to stand,
Gen.
Castellaw urged Boeing workers to "remember the faces that you're
looking at now, knowing that they're going to be flying against an
enemy that's trying to kill them so that they can eventually kill you.
And with that in mind, produce the best quality airplane possible."


Which you cant get out of quickly either


The Marines are buying 360 Ospreys. The Air Force is buying 50 for
special operations.

The Navy is still considering whether to go ahead with a long-term
plan to buy 48 for special missions.

Bell-Boeing and Col. Mulhern's office hope to agree by the end of the
year on a five-year contract for 167 more Ospreys. The deal could save
$400 million by stabilizing prices, Col. Mulhern said.

The production schedule under the proposed multiyear contract would
leave room for Bell-Boeing to produce an additional three Ospreys per
year for the Marines or Air Force or for any foreign buyers, though
Col. Mulhern said foreign sales were some years away.

Pentagon, State Department and congressional approvals are needed, and
"it's a few years before the process will start," he said. "I don't
think it's 10 years away, but it's not next year."


what a load of codswallop
What kind of contract puts the navy in the position of promoting
overseas sales? Who could ever trust them to give an honest evaluation
of their own experience with the product?
no wonder this turkey doesn't die.

Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure

Vince

Vince

On Jun 13, 10:48 am, Vince wrote:
Mike wrote:
Dallas Morning News
June 12, 2007

Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey

Pentagon shows off V-22 at ceremony in hopes of reducing cost for U.S.

By Richard Whittle, Special Contributor to The Dallas Morning News

RIDLEY PARK, Pa. * Confident the V-22 Osprey will do well when it goes
into combat for the first time this fall in Iraq, Pentagon officials
are already courting foreign buyers for the Texas-built tilt-rotor
troop transport, the program director said Monday.

Britain and Israel are among nations keenly interested in the
helicopter-airplane hybrid, Marine Col. Matthew Mulhern told reporters
at a ceremony to mark completion of the 100th Osprey fuselage by
Boeing Co., which builds the V-22 with Bell Helicopter Textron Inc. of
Fort Worth.

About 2,500 people work on the Osprey for Bell in Fort Worth and
Amarillo.

The Naval Air Systems Command put on a V-22 demonstration last month
at Patuxent River, Md., for representatives from 16 nations as part of
an effort to stir up foreign interest.

The event was held in lieu of sending an Osprey to this month's Paris
Air Show, the world's largest aviation trade fair, Col. Mulhern said.

The Navy wants to gin up foreign sales because they would reduce the
cost of V-22s bought by U.S. forces. The current price is about $71
million, not counting development costs going back to 1983, when the
program began.

wait a minute

The navy (not the manufacturer) the navy is pushing foreign sales?
talk about conflict of interest.



"There's a lot of interest," Col. Mulhern said. "I think everybody is
waiting to see how it does on this deployment."

The Marine Corps is sending a squadron of 10 Ospreys to Iraq in
September to carry troops into combat, evacuate the wounded and fly
other missions in the place of CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters. The
Osprey can fly about twice as fast and three times as far as a CH-46.

and much faster and further than a donkey but so what?
lots of helicopters fly faster and further than the CH 46 and dont cast
71 million

The seven-month deployment by Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 263
could make or break the reputation of the Osprey, which was nearly
canceled after two fatal crashes in 2000.

Critics insist the aircraft is unsafe and too costly. The Marines say
it is ready for combat.

Combat "is what we are going to use this aircraft for," Marine Lt.
Gen. John Castellaw, deputy commandant for aviation, told an audience
of Boeing workers and guests at the ceremony. "It is what it was built
for."

its a delivery truck

Telling a group of young enlisted Marines in the audience to stand,
Gen.
Castellaw urged Boeing workers to "remember the faces that you're
looking at now, knowing that they're going to be flying against an
enemy that's trying to kill them so that they can eventually kill you.
And with that in mind, produce the best quality airplane possible."

Which you cant get out of quickly either





The Marines are buying 360 Ospreys. The Air Force is buying 50 for
special operations.

The Navy is still considering whether to go ahead with a long-term
plan to buy 48 for special missions.

Bell-Boeing and Col. Mulhern's office hope to agree by the end of the
year on a five-year contract for 167 more Ospreys. The deal could save
$400 million by stabilizing prices, Col. Mulhern said.

The production schedule under the proposed multiyear contract would
leave room for Bell-Boeing to produce an additional three Ospreys per
year for the Marines or Air Force or for any foreign buyers, though
Col. Mulhern said foreign sales were some years away.

Pentagon, State Department and congressional approvals are needed, and
"it's a few years before the process will start," he said. "I don't
think it's 10 years away, but it's not next year."

what a load of codswallop
What kind of contract puts the navy in the position of promoting
overseas sales? Who could ever trust them to give an honest evaluation
of their own experience with the product?
no wonder this turkey doesn't die.

Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure

As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....

Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple
days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!

Vince

Vince

David E. Powell wrote:

Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure

As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....


it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle

the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,

that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide

Vince



Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple
days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!

Vince wrote in
:


what a load of codswallop
What kind of contract puts the navy in the position of promoting
overseas sales? Who could ever trust them to give an honest evaluation
of their own experience with the product?
no wonder this turkey doesn't die.

Foreign Military Sales (FMS) are always a government thing. The
Navy likes it because the funds flow to the program office and
are available for obligation without the typical "taxing" of
congressional appropriations.

scott s.
..

scott s. wrote:
Vince wrote in
:

what a load of codswallop What kind of contract puts the navy in
the position of promoting overseas sales? Who could ever trust
them to give an honest evaluation of their own experience with the
product? no wonder this turkey doesn't die.

Foreign Military Sales (FMS) are always a government thing. The Navy
likes it because the funds flow to the program office and are
available for obligation without the typical "taxing" of
congressional appropriations.

scott s. .


I am well aware of the FMS

"FMS is managed and operated by DoD on a no-profit and no-loss basis.
Countries participating in the program pay for defense articles and
services at prices which recoup costs incurred by the United States.
This includes a fee ($15,000 or 3.8 percent of item and service cost,
whichever is greater) to cover the cost of administering the program."

nothing about reducing the price of US government purchases if we
promote sales of the product

Vince

On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote:
David E. Powell wrote:
Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure

As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....

it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle

the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,

that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide

Vince




At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an
easy shoot-down.









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On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote:





David E. Powell wrote:
Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure

As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....

it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle

the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,

that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide

Vince

At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an
easy shoot-down.

I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown
tactic too.

Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple
days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!

On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote:





On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote:

David E. Powell wrote:
Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure

As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....

it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle

the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,

that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide

Vince

At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an
easy shoot-down.

I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown
tactic too.



Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam.











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David E. Powell writes
I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown
tactic too.

If there's a sufficient density of Bad Guys, then going low exposes you
to hundreds or thousands of small-arms rather than handfuls of MR-SAMs.

--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides


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