"Seeking Foreign Buyers For Osprey"

On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:





On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote:

On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote:

David E. Powell wrote:
Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure

As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....

it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle

the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,

that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide

Vince

At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an
easy shoot-down.

I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown
tactic too.

Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam.





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Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September?
First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction?

Rob

Rob Arndt wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:





On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote:
David E. Powell wrote:
Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure
As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....
it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle
the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,
that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide
Vince
At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an
easy shoot-down.
I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown
tactic too.
Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam.





Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple
days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide quoted text -
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Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September?
First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction?

Rob


You don't see how sick it is for someone who has never put his neck
on the line to place bets on the deaths of those who do?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Vince wrote in newsc-dneS50cbq3-
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I am well aware of the FMS

"FMS is managed and operated by DoD on a no-profit and no-loss basis.
Countries participating in the program pay for defense articles and
services at prices which recoup costs incurred by the United States.
This includes a fee ($15,000 or 3.8 percent of item and service cost,
whichever is greater) to cover the cost of administering the program."

nothing about reducing the price of US government purchases if we
promote sales of the product

I assume they are talking about fixed and indirect costs that can
bring the unit cost down with a larger buy, among other things.

scott s.
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On Jun 13, 6:23�pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:

On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote:
David E. Powell wrote:
Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure
As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....
it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle
the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,
that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide
Vince
At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an
easy shoot-down.
I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown
tactic too.
Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam.

Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple
days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

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Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September?
First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction?

Rob

* *You don't see how sick it is for someone who has never put his neck
on the line to place bets on the deaths of those who do?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

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The USMC gambled with US soldiers lives when it falsified the test
records on the Osprey-forget about that? And if proven rotorcraft like
an Apache armored helo needs escort in Iraq what do you think will
happen to the more vunerable transitional flight V-22 when it attempts
to transition for landing or take-off?

I can see the AKs and RPGs flying already...

Rob

Rob Arndt wrote:
On Jun 13, 6:23�pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote:
David E. Powell wrote:
Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure
As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....
it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle
the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,
that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide
Vince
At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an
easy shoot-down.
I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown
tactic too.
Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam.
Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple
days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September?
First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction?
Rob
� �You don't see how sick it is for someone who has never put his neck
on the line to place bets on the deaths of those who do?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The USMC gambled with US soldiers lives when it falsified the test
records on the Osprey-forget about that? And if proven rotorcraft like
an Apache armored helo needs escort in Iraq what do you think will
happen to the more vunerable transitional flight V-22 when it attempts
to transition for landing or take-off?

I can see the AKs and RPGs flying already...

Rob


Many aircraft need armed escort for some of their missions, why would
Osprey be any different?

AKs fly?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On Jun 13, 6:42�pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Jun 13, 6:23 pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote:
David E. Powell wrote:
Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure
As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc.....
it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle
the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,
that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide
Vince
At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an
easy shoot-down.
I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown
tactic too.
Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam.
Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple
days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September?
First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction?
Rob
You don't see how sick it is for someone who has never put his neck
on the line to place bets on the deaths of those who do?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The USMC gambled with US soldiers lives when it falsified the test
records on the Osprey-forget about that? And if proven rotorcraft like
an Apache armored helo needs escort in Iraq what do you think will
happen to the more vunerable transitional flight V-22 when it attempts
to transition for landing or take-off?

I can see the AKs and RPGs flying already...

Rob

* *Many aircraft need armed escort for some of their missions, why would
Osprey be any different?

* *AKs fly?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

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Being stupid again? Yes, it should read AKs firing and RPGs flying...
but you knew what I meant anyway... I only wish if you were gonna play
English teacher you would do it with everyone here on RAM.

Regarding the Apache, this was supposed to be the premiere armored
attack helo in the world able to stand up to best Soviet/Russian
battlefield weapons; instead, it is fairly easy prey for raghead
insurgents with nothing more than AKs and RPGs... so much for that
myth of invincibility. We should have learned that from the fast and
armored Mil-24 Hinds in Afghanistan. We laughed at their losses... yet
lament our own...

The V-22 Easyprey will be not exception. If I was a US Army soldier
headed for Iraq in September I would be pukin' my guts out if I knew
the V-22 was my ride. SFs can handle them b/c the best consider
themselves already dead before starting a mission. Not the same from
your low-IQ Wal-Mart recruit.

But if it is any consolation Dan I do not believe that had the Nazis
got their tilt-rotor paper projects operational that they would have
been any good either... unless Hanna Reitsch was the pilot

Rob

wrote:
On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote:
David E. Powell wrote:
Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure
As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....
it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle

the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,

that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide

Vince




At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an
easy shoot-down.



no question

turkey shoot

Vince

David E. Powell wrote:
On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote:





David E. Powell wrote:
Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure
As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....
it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle
the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,
that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide
Vince
At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an
easy shoot-down.

I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown
tactic too.

Do you mean at "hit it with a rock " altitude?

Vince

Rob Arndt wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:





On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote:
David E. Powell wrote:
Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure
As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....
it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle
the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,
that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide
Vince
At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an
easy shoot-down.
I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown
tactic too.
Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam.





Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple
days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September?
First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction?

Rob


don't worry these china dolls will be kept very far from any real combat.

Vince

Vince wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:46?pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 3:40 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:





On Jun 13, 5:28 pm, wrote:
On Jun 13, 12:35 pm, Vince wrote:
David E. Powell wrote:
Overseas sales are a pipe dream except either to Saudi Arabia as a
replacement bribe stream or to someone else subject to US pressure
As Japan has considered F-22, maybe they think that Japan might want
the Osprey as well. Search and Rescue, moving people about, etc....
it is inferior to helicopters for almost all such purposes.
The Osprey is a one trick pony, and the trick is very expensive.
It requires the power of a heavy lift helicopter to transport medium
lift cargo in a very crowded cabin for such a big heavy vehicle
the cabin is 68 inches wide,
and 66.23 inches high,
that is 5" 6" high and 5 foot 8"' wide
Vince
At a speed of 214 Kts and ceiling of 26,000 ft. it's going to be an
easy shoot-down.
I thought it was faster, but going low enough can be an anti-shootdown
tactic too.
Uh-huh..........that's what got a lot of choppers shot down in 'Nam.





Saw one of them buzz a vacation town here in South Jersey a couple
days back, did a buzz-over at the local airport, fun!- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Anyone wanna take bets on the Ospreys going to Iraq in September?
First loss due to combat, flying accident, or technical malfunction?

Rob


don't worry these china dolls will be kept very far from any real combat.

Vince

Just like you and aren't.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired