Most Challenging Instrument Approaches in Western US?

I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging
instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way
to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow
instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter,
similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am
looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning
opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm
no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20,
so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations
begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions,
-angus

Good question, but there are no challenging approaches in the WORLD.
We have our instrument rating. There comes a time when approaches are
approaches. Some are higher workload than others, but none are
"challenging."

Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei.
Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some
special issues.

Lynne

Angus Davis wrote in message ...
I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging
instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way
to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow
instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter,
similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am
looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning
opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm
no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20,
so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations
begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions,
-angus

Lynne Miller wrote:

Good question, but there are no challenging approaches in the WORLD.
We have our instrument rating. There comes a time when approaches are
approaches. Some are higher workload than others, but none are
"challenging."

Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei.
Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some
special issues.

Lynne,
I am glad to hear your opinion that challenging instrument approaches do
not exist. Given your extensive experience, perhaps you could expand on
your reply by noting those approaches you've flown over the years that
would yield the greatest learning opportunity for instrument students.
Thanks,
-angus

"Lynne Miller" wrote:

Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei.
Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some
special issues.

Compulsive liar.

(Lynne Miller) wrote in message . com...
Good question, but there are no challenging approaches in the WORLD.
We have our instrument rating. There comes a time when approaches are
approaches. Some are higher workload than others, but none are
"challenging."

Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei.
Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some
special issues.

Lynne


Lynne - What exactly are your credentials (hours/ratings/etc)?

(Peter Gibbons) wrote

(Lynne Miller) wrote
Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to
Taipei. Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach
with some special issues.

Lynne - What exactly are your credentials (hours/ratings/etc)?

Everything.......:-) Copied from Google for your amusement.


From: Lynne Miller )
Subject: Throw out that checklist
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
Date: 2003-06-19 11:56:52 PST

How many of you actually use a checklist?
The method I use when I fly (Cessna Citation VII) is a flow check.
If
you have a good flowcheck for the various phases of flight, I feel
a
checklist is not necessary. I am curious what others do?
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From: Lynne Miller )
Subject: Almost ready to tattoo
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: 2002-03-10 19:35:26 PST

Hello .. I am 21 years old and have thought about tattoos (and been
fascinated by them) since I was 13. I am finally ready to get one,
and
I have some ideas of the "topic" of the tattoo I want, but no idea
what it is I want. I figure I'll wait six months or so once I get
the
exact picture I want to be sure that is what I want on me forever.
Any
advice for me on how to proceed?
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From: Lynne Miller )
Subject: Palo Alto 3, Reid Hillview 0
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.ifr
Date: 2001-08-08 09:13:21 PST

I am not going to argue with you. But, I can just tell you this. I
bought N550B (the airplane) from Jim Lafferty last year so I could
use the tail number on my airplane. (550-0941)
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From: Lynne Miller )
Subject: Got my wings
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
Date: 2001-05-29 08:25:51 PST

I passed my PVT checkride last night!!! Pretty much the "standard"
ride. 1.5 oral, 1.2 flight time. I did the best I'd ever done.
I got a tattoo of wings on my ankle last night to celebrate. :-)
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From: Lynne Miller )
Subject: AST-300
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.ifr
Date: 2003-08-20 07:32:43 PST

Yes, I am familiar with the PTS.
During my ATP checkride, I used a checklist after my flowcheck. I
use
a checklist during 299 rides, etc. after the flowcheck but in the
real
world, I don't use a checklist.
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Robert Moore wrote in message .7...
(Peter Gibbons) wrote

(Lynne Miller) wrote
Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to
Taipei. Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach
with some special issues.

Lynne - What exactly are your credentials (hours/ratings/etc)?

Everything.......:-) Copied from Google for your amusement.


snip

Thanks Robert - I actually found alot of that myself. Just wanted to
see if he'd set himself up again

If you fly in the SF Bay Area, you're probably already familiar with the
Monterey LOC DME 28L approach. It has several step downs and a some
important terrain issues. This is an approach where the safety
pilot/instructor should have the pilot remove the hood a couple of times to
see the consequences of making a mistake.

1. If you're getting vectors to final, just before interception take a look
at the terrain ahead to see where you'd be going if you didn't receive a
clearance to intercept and just kept flying through the locallizer on the
vector heading.

2. As you reach the minimum altitude for each stopdown, take a look outside
to your left. I'll bet you've never seen terrain and houses so close before.

After seeing where the terrain is on final, I added 500' to the minimum
step-down altitudes for this approach...

Mick Ruthven

"Angus Davis" wrote in message
...
I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging
instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way
to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow
instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter,
similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am
looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning
opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm
no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20,
so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations
begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions,
-angus

The answers so far seem to define challenging as "greatest risk if you mess
up".
That's a fair definition but if you go by difficulty of execution then the
NDB
to Siskiyou County, CA, (SIY iirc) looks like fun. I've never flown it but
it involves
a substantial dogleg at the NDB (particularly good if there's a crosswind)
as well as a death-defying descent rate on final.

John

"Angus Davis" wrote in message
...
I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging
instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way
to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow
instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter,
similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am
looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning
opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm
no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20,
so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations
begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions,
-angus

John Harper wrote:

The answers so far seem to define challenging as "greatest risk if you mess
up".
That's a fair definition but if you go by difficulty of execution then the
NDB
to Siskiyou County, CA, (SIY iirc) looks like fun. I've never flown it but
it involves
a substantial dogleg at the NDB (particularly good if there's a crosswind)
as well as a death-defying descent rate on final.


Juneau, Alaska is no "bowl of peaches" either.

A fellow controller was riding jumpseat on a 727 a
number of years ago on a flight from Anchorage to
Seattle with intermediate stop at Juneau. The pilot
was enthused that this would be his first flight into
Juneau with VFR conditions.

There is a rather large dogleg to turn final and a
hill just slides under as you are, or just before,
making the dogleg. The Captain said that was the LAST
time he wanted to make the approach to Juneau in VFR
conditions.


Lou.