Hamas leader killed.

Eric Moore wrote in message
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The leader of Hamas has been killed in an Israeli airstrike. See:


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"Yama" wrote in message
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BBC: UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has condemned the Israeli missile
attack on Ahmed Yassin as "unlawful".

Pot, kettle, black.

Si

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"Yama" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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He was *certainly* an operational leader. Broad strategy for sure, and
he was the man behind most of the suicide bombers over the last couple
of decades.

Not really. He was in Israeli prison until 1997 where from he could hardly
plan any operations. After that he has spent considerable time in house
arrest placed by Palestinian authorities.

"House arrest," in Palestinian terms, means "paid his bills and gave him
bodyguards, but didn't stop him from working." When you're in house
arrest, you don't get a steady string of visitors, and you don't get to
make public statements about how nice it is to kill Jews.

If Israeli really thought he was anything more than a figurehead, they would
have killed him years ago.

They were too busy trying to placate Hamas. They finally decided that
was a stupid game.

He certainly was a supporter of suicide bombings. That said, it seems that
many Western countries are more or less condemning this move - including UK.
BBC: UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has condemned the Israeli missile
attack on Ahmed Yassin as "unlawful".

Well, Jack Straw is entitled to his opinions. A lot of people have said
similar things at similar times. After the small spate of attacks that
are sure to come, we'll see how it works out in the long run.

Note that were were told that the whole Mideast would erupt in flames
when we took down Saddam, and how that didn't happen.

One telling thing: a Palestinian official was being interviewed on Fox
this morning, and after the first reference to Yassin as a "spiritual"
leader, he kept calling him a "political leader."

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"Yama" wrote:
If Israeli really thought he was anything more than a figurehead, they
would
have killed him years ago.

They were too busy trying to placate Hamas. They finally decided that
was a stupid game.

Oh, absolutely. Firing few Hellfire missiles in middle of group of civilians
hoping that enough people will die so that target is amongst them is so much
more smarter game. I mean, absolutely unlikely to trigger any sort of
retribution, right?

He certainly was a supporter of suicide bombings. That said, it seems
that
many Western countries are more or less condemning this move - including
UK.
BBC: UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has condemned the Israeli missile
attack on Ahmed Yassin as "unlawful".

Well, Jack Straw is entitled to his opinions.

Yes, he is only the foreign secretary of Israeli's second most important
potential supporter. Totally irrelevant.

A lot of people have said
similar things at similar times. After the small spate of attacks that
are sure to come, we'll see how it works out in the long run.

Note that were were told that the whole Mideast would erupt in flames
when we took down Saddam, and how that didn't happen.

Who said so? Certainly not me.

On the other hand, Iraq certainly is a lot more dangerous place now. Was
that part of the plan too?

One telling thing: a Palestinian official was being interviewed on Fox
this morning, and after the first reference to Yassin as a "spiritual"
leader, he kept calling him a "political leader."

So what?

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"Yama" wrote:

Oh, absolutely. Firing few Hellfire missiles in middle of group of
civilians hoping that enough people will die so that target is
amongst them is so much more smarter game.

If that were what had happened, you might have a point. Since that
*wasn't* what happened, you have none.

I mean, absolutely unlikely to trigger any sort of
retribution, right?

When you have a bunch of people who have sworn to really, really kill
you, making them a bit madder won't do much but add another "really."
Hamas wants all Jews in the area *dead*. Not walled off, not living
peacefully, *dead*. And their message hasn;t changed since they started.

Every time Hamas screams about "retribution," it's because the Israelis
killed some of their people *after* Hamas sent in some more suicide
bombers.

Blowing up one of the most evil terrorists in the world and his
bodyguard does *not* compare to sending a ten year old kid with a bomb
in his bag to blow up a checkpoint, except as an object lesson.

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"Yama" wrote

On the other hand, Iraq certainly is a lot more dangerous place now.

Iraq was dangerous place since it was created. It is probably the least
dangerous place now since its creation.

I was there with my father in 1961-1962, and *nothing* I've seen so far
is even half as scary.

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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One telling thing: a Palestinian official was being interviewed on Fox
this morning, and after the first reference to Yassin as a "spiritual"
leader, he kept calling him a "political leader."

In Islamic culture, the two are rarely distinguished between. They rule on
behalf of God according to God's law. Doesn't leave much room for weasely
politicians and spin-doctors.

Si

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"Simon Robbins" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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One telling thing: a Palestinian official was being interviewed on
Fox this morning, and after the first reference to Yassin as a
"spiritual" leader, he kept calling him a "political leader."

In Islamic culture, the two are rarely distinguished between. They
rule on behalf of God according to God's law. Doesn't leave much room
for weasely politicians and spin-doctors.

Which is why Yassin didn't get an exemption from being a murderous
asshole, and why he got a missile in his lap.

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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"The CO" wrote:

2 observations.

1. The Israelis seem to have an absolute gift for picking off
important players.
2. They have solid titanium testicles considering
the backlash this might bring.

What backlash? More suicide bombers? They just killed the guy who's
been sending them in every day for the last several years. The
Palestinians have been looking to this guy as an example of defiance
in
the face of Israel, and just found out that he was very, very mortal.

No real disagreement, I concur that half blind and wheelchair bound or
not,
he was well worth removing. However it may increase the level of
attacks and
inspire them to do something bigger. OTOH, if they keep nobbling the
top level
like this they might get less capable leadership to deal with.

I guess they figure they have nothing much to lose. They might be
right.

Well, they lost one of the worst people on the face of the planet...

No argument with that either. I still essentially think they have
nothing to lose.

The CO

"Tamas Feher" wrote in message
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Israelis seem to have an absolute gift for picking off important
players.

It's not about hi-tech intelligence or attack choppers.

No? They seem to have a reasonable record of nobbling the big players.
That this particular one was not in hiding is not disputed, but he was a
player
none the less.

Zionists rule the world with their money.

Didn't cost much for this now did it?

It is to find traitors even among the
palestinians, who work for 30 silver coins.

Or in this case none, since he really wasn't hiding.

I hope the PLA will find and
hang all the collaborants.

They would be better off finding and hanging the rest of the
Hamas, Islamic Jihad etc etc.

The CO