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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:05:20 -0500, Matt Whiting
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:16:34 -0500, Matt Whiting
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And there is a recent christian culture that gassed and burned 6
million human beings.

I'm not sure what a christian culture is, but a Christian culture didn't
do that. It was a Christian culture that came to the defense of the Jews.



You need to pick up a good history book and spend a little time with
it.

Hardly. Show me one shred of evidence that says Hitler was a bona fide
Christian. Show me one shred of evidence that says Christianity
supports genocide of Jews.


Matt





Take your pick.




“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.”

( Adolf Hitler, from John Toland [Pulitzer Prize winner], Adolf
Hitler, New York: Anchor Publishing, 1992, p. 507. )

“The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in
his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially
of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word
be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and
their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the
Lord's creation, the divine will.”

( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner
Books, 1999, p. 562. )

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of
the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am
fighting for the work of the Lord.”

( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner
Books, 1999, p. 65. )

“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at
last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact
that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As
a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have
the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same
catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world
some two thousand years ago — a civilization which was driven to its
ruin through this same Jewish people.

“Then indeed when Rome collapsed there were endless streams of new
German bands flowing into the Empire from the North; but, if Germany
collapses today, who is there to come after us? German blood upon this
earth is on the way to gradual exhaustion unless we pull ourselves
together and make ourselves free!

“And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting
rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I
have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see
them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they
have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in
the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into
their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a
very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord
two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor
people are plundered and exploited.”

( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Munich, April 12, 1922; from
Norman H. Baynes, ed., The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August
1939, Vol. 1, New York: Oxford University Press, 1942, pp. 19-20. )

“For this, to be sure, from the child's primer down to the last
newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising
pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this
one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor
patriots: ‘Lord, make us free!’ is transformed in the brain of the
smallest boy into the burning plea: ‘Almighty God, bless our arms when
the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we
be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!’”

( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner
Books, 1999, pp. 632-633. )

“I may not be a light of the church, a pulpiteer, but deep down I am a
pious man, and believe that whoever fights bravely in defense of the
natural laws framed by God and never capitulates will never be
deserted by the Lawgiver, but will, in the end, receive the blessings
of Providence.”

( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered on July 5, 1944; from Charles
Bracelen Flood, Hitler: The Path to Power, Boston, Mass: Houghton
Mifflin Company, 1989, p. 208. )

“I say: my Christian feeling tells me that my lord and savior is a
warrior. It calls my attention to the man who, lonely and surrounded
by only a few supporters, recognized what they [the Jews] were, and
called for a battle against them, and who, by God, was not the
greatest sufferer, but the greatest warrior. . .

“As a human being it is my duty to see to it that humanity will not
suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did that old civilization two
thousand years ago, a civilization which was driven to its ruin by the
Jews. . . I am convinced that I am really a devil and not a Christian
if I do not feel compassion and do not wage war, as Christ did two
thousand years ago, against those who are steeling and exploiting
these poverty-stricken people.

“Two thousand years ago a man was similarly denounced by this
particular race which today denounces and blasphememes all over the
place. . . That man was dragged before a court and they said: he is
arousing the people! So he, too, was an agitator!”

( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered on April 12, 1922; from Charles
Bracelen Flood, Hitler: The Path to Power, Boston, Mass: Houghton
Mifflin Company, 1989, pp. 261-262. )

Claiming something doesn't make it so. The Bible says that by their
works you will know them. Hitler's works clearly weren't Christian,
therefore he wasn't. I can claim to be the President of the United
States, but that doesn't make it so.


Matt