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109B import from Germany - FAA hassle?
Hi all,
I have fund a nice 109B in Germany. Just wondering about the FAA hassle to get it registered....... Also it has a Grob engine.......talk with Grob in Germany about there engine. Looks like not many parts left. The engine has about 180hrs left. What are you guys thinking ? Thanks Klaus |
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109B import from Germany - FAA hassle?
I had no difficulty importing my Stemme from Mexico into the USA. Since
the Stemme has an LBA or EASA Type Certificate Data Sheet (TCDS), I simply presented that to an FAA Designated Airworthiness Representative (DAR). He checked the aircraft against the TCDS and issued a US Standard Airworthiness Certificate. Assuming the Grob has a TCDS, there should be no problems with the FAA also assuming the aircraft still conforms to the TCDS. I would be concerned, however, with an orphaned engine with only 180 hours left. What do you do when the engine is no longer airworthy? On 7/17/2017 1:59 PM, Klaus Oestreich wrote: Hi all, I have fund a nice 109B in Germany. Just wondering about the FAA hassle to get it registered....... Also it has a Grob engine.......talk with Grob in Germany about there engine. Looks like not many parts left. The engine has about 180hrs left. What are you guys thinking ? Thanks Klaus -- Dan, 5J |
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109B import from Germany - FAA hassle?
At 23:23 17 July 2017, Dan Marotta wrote:
I had no difficulty importing my Stemme from Mexico into the USA. Since the Stemme has an LBA or EASA Type Certificate Data Sheet (TCDS), I simply presented that to an FAA Designated Airworthiness Representative (DAR). He checked the aircraft against the TCDS and issued a US Standard Airworthiness Certificate. Assuming the Grob has a TCDS, there should be no problems with the FAA also assuming the aircraft still conforms to the TCDS. I would be concerned, however, with an orphaned engine with only 180 hours left. What do you do when the engine is no longer airworthy? On 7/17/2017 1:59 PM, Klaus Oestreich wrote: Hi all, I have fund a nice 109B in Germany. Just wondering about the FAA hassle to get it registered....... Also it has a Grob engine.......talk with Grob in Germany about there engine. Looks like not many parts left. The engine has about 180hrs left. What are you guys thinking ? Thanks Klaus -- Dan, 5J I would assume that getting a German Export C of A would cost a LOT less than hiring a DAR in the USA. Also, the Export C of A inspection over there could possibly unearth big issues (before the sale is final and the aircraft is shipped), as opposed to a DAR finding them while inspecting it here. The only problem is that the German Export C of A process/De-registration will take 3+ months to complete over there. If you have a German Export C of A and De- registration (Make sure the make, model, serial number on the documents match EXACTLY with your FAA registration application.), and all documents are in order, then the FAA C of A inspection becomes a relatively minor formality. As far as the engine goes (if it were me), I'd be looking for a replacement engine that has already been overhauled or at least another complete "parts engine" for spares. I am no expert in that field though, and will defer to others with more knowledge. We had a G109B in our club as a 5 year lease-back during the Reagan tax credit era. I liked it a lot, but found it incredible that an aircraft like this (which was a lot more complicated than a C-150) would only require a glider license to fly it... RO |
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109B import from Germany - FAA hassle?
On 7/17/2017 6:36 PM, Michael Opitz wrote: We had a G109B in our club as a 5 year lease-back during the Reagan tax credit era. I liked it a lot, but found it incredible that an aircraft like this (which was a lot more complicated than a C-150) would only require a glider license to fly it... I hear ya, Brother! I don't think I'd trust any C-150 or C-140 (tail dragger) pilot to fly a Stemme with simply a glider license. Still, as I get older and don't want to fly power planes any more, it's good that I don't need a physical to fly the Stemme. I'll know when it's time to quit or my wife will let me know... -- Dan, 5J |
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109B import from Germany - FAA hassle?
On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 6:56:56 PM UTC+3, Dan Marotta wrote:
On 7/17/2017 6:36 PM, Michael Opitz wrote: We had a G109B in our club as a 5 year lease-back during the Reagan tax credit era. I liked it a lot, but found it incredible that an aircraft like this (which was a lot more complicated than a C-150) would only require a glider license to fly it... I hear ya, Brother! I don't think I'd trust any C-150 or C-140 (tail dragger) pilot to fly a Stemme with simply a glider license. Still, as I get older and don't want to fly power planes any more, it's good that I don't need a physical to fly the Stemme. I'll know when it's time to quit or my wife will let me know... I'm not sure what's complex about the 109. Certainly for a C-150 pilot it's a tail dragger with long wings, much like any other glider. For a glider pilot it's not a lot different to a 103 with side by side seating and an engine. The need to switch between fine and coarse pitch, and the Mickey Mouse way it's done (pull something like a tow release, and hope and pray it changes to the mode you want, based on engine RPM) is a bit strange for both C-150 and glider pilots. Getting it wrong would be bad, especially on takeoff. The takeoff performance is anaemic enough at the best of times. For some reason, I found the 109 more claustrophobic than other aircraft I've been in, and especially the way you have to twist around above and behind your head to operate the canopy latch. |
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109B import from Germany - FAA hassle?
Thanks! Good info
Klaus |
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109B import from Germany - FAA hassle?
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 3:59:22 PM UTC-4, Klaus Oestreich wrote:
Hi all, I have fund a nice 109B in Germany. Just wondering about the FAA hassle to get it registered....... Also it has a Grob engine.......talk with Grob in Germany about there engine. Looks like not many parts left. The engine has about 180hrs left. What are you guys thinking ? Thanks Klaus IIRC, Grob did a 912 update for the 109, but there were *issues* regarding completing the certification. Iff these *issues* were resolved, it *might* be possible to have the update done in Germany (with paperwork, ie EASA certs), in which case this would be a much more desirable (but certainly more expensive) machine... Hope that helps, Best Regards, Dave |
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109B import from Germany - FAA hassle?
Export CofA in Germany is a days work. Certificate of deregistration can be
arranged from the LBA in a week. Been there, done that. Have the current owner do it as part of the deal. Saves hassle. |
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109B import from Germany - FAA hassle?
At 05:48 18 July 2017, Eric Munk wrote:
Export CofA in Germany is a days work. Certificate of deregistration can b arranged from the LBA in a week. Been there, done that. Have the current owner do it as part of the deal. Saves hassle. Hello, I'm a EASA-FAA engineer & have worked on the G109B-Grob 2500 engine for the last two years. If you want to replace the engine with a EASA/FAA compliant unit, the only company presently advertising an overhauled engine from the factory is Soaring Oxford in the U.K. Please find link below. http://www.segelflug.de/osclass/inde...=item&id=16512 The company normally supplies spares to the RAF cadets flying schools, which no longer require the engines having "Scrapped" the majority of their fleet, hence an abundance of spares no longer required held by Soaring Oxford. The company is expensive, having dealt primarily with the RAF cadets & not having to "trim" their profit margins. I'm sure a discount is available if you play "Hard Ball". Good luck. Best regards Paul |
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109B import from Germany - FAA hassle?
At 05:48 18 July 2017, Eric Munk wrote:
Export CofA in Germany is a days work. Certificate of deregistration can b arranged from the LBA in a week. Been there, done that. Have the current owner do it as part of the deal. Saves hassle. Hello, I'm a EASA-FAA engineer & have worked on the G109B-Grob 2500 engine for the last two years. If you want to replace the engine with a EASA/FAA compliant unit, the only company presently advertising an overhauled engine from the factory is Soaring Oxford in the U.K. Please find link below. http://www.segelflug.de/osclass/inde...=item&id=16512 The company normally supplies spares to the RAF cadets flying schools, which no longer require the engines having "Scrapped" the majority of their fleet, hence an abundance of spares no longer required held by Soaring Oxford. The company is expensive, having dealt primarily with the RAF cadets & not having to "trim" their profit margins. I'm sure a discount is available if you play "Hard Ball". Good luck. Best regards Paul |
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