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1) Innodyn is ATP under a new name http://www.innodyn.com/aviation/news.html
2) ATP was not a good company. This is a letter from the head of a successful kit plane company to his customers. I'm not using his name or the name of the airplane since I haven't asked for his permission to repost it, but if you email me (do the obvious substitutions) I'll forward you the original. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To anyone who is remotely interested in purchasing an engine from ATP - Affordable Turbine Power - LISTEN UP! What follows may save you $10,000 (or more)! ATP is selling "snake oil" as far as my opinion goes. Several ********* customers have placed orders and deposits for ATP engines - and have been the victims of broken promises and outright fraud. One ******* customer placed a $12,000 deposit with ATP towards a +300hp version of their experimental turbine - waited to the promised delivery date - called for the delivery - and was told by the "good" folks at ATP that: a. They discontinued development of the 300 hp version of the engine b. They had no immediate plans to renew development of the 300 hp engine c. Despite the written order form that guaranteed all deposits would be escrowed - ATP nevertheless spent his deposit, and d. They have no plans to refund his deposit. To add insult to injury, this ******* builder had purchased a constant speed propeller that works (for all intent and purposes) on a turbine engine - so he is also "out" the money he invested in the propeller. This is not an isolated case. Another ******* customer that I spoke with ALSO lost a substantial amount of money due to the fact that ATP could not provide an engine and would not return his deposit. In the last edition of AOPA's ePilot, it had an announcement piece promoting ATP. I wrote to the editor of ePilot and told him about the fraud this company has committed and gave him the names of two ******* customers who were cheated by ATP. The editor followed through - and attempted to reach ATP for comment. They (ATP) refuse to talk with him. The customers did talk with AOPA and told them what happened. One year ago ATP had a booth at Sun n Fun showing their ATP powered RV. Between SnF and Oshkosh the aircraft added (what is reported to be) less than 10-hours of flight time. Think about that. 10-hours of flight time in 4-months. If I were selling a new engine - turbine or otherwise - I would hardly boast about 10-hours of operation in 4-months. Something was (and is) obviously amiss. Incredibly, I am contacted by ******* customers who have talked with ATP .... and ATP believe it or not, is giving ******* as a reference! What balls! After SnF 2003, ATP went "underground" at last years Oshkosh and this years SnF. They did not have a booth, but they did promote their "fantastic, everybody needs to have one turbine engine" at an obscure Cub display. ATP, you will find, is not in the show program. These people have the lowest business ethics. If you are fool enough to give them your money, they are happy to take it. And that's all I have to say about that. In article , Paul Folbrecht says... Not twice. They claim 13gph. That's not too shabby at all. And I'm never gonna run out of fuel - that is NOT one of my concerns. I worry about the issues I have no direct control over. Kyle Boatright wrote: "Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message news Anybody have any experience?? Yet?? Is it too good to be true - a 205hp turnbine for $30K? I'm thinking of putting one in an RV-10. Or a Glastar Sportsman. Or a KIS Cruiser. ~Paul Folbrecht ~PP-SEL ~C152 89795 ~MWC This brings to mind the fact that a lot more airplanes crash for lack of fuel than because of mechanical related engine failures. You're trading something like 2x the fuel burn for potentially more mechanical reliability... KB |
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Ouch! Useful information indeed!
So, between this and the information about fuel burn (from someone who obviously knows a lot more about turbines than me), "too good to be true" does seem the appropriate phrase. mich wrote: 1) Innodyn is ATP under a new name http://www.innodyn.com/aviation/news.html 2) ATP was not a good company. This is a letter from the head of a successful snip |
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ATP was compelled to change their name by some other organization/issue.
They chose the name Innodyn. I have been in an online interest group regarding this engine since the time that it WAS known as ATP. Dave Catboy wrote: Are you sure that was this engine? I thought that was the ATP (Affordable Turbine Power) engine, which is based on the Solar. In article . net, Dave S says... This isnt entirely a new engine. It is based heavily on the Solar T-62. What IS new is the fuel control unit. This engine was featured in an article within the past 2 years in an RV4 as a test bed. Dave x wrote: What would be the pros and cons of turbine power for the experimental pilot? Turbines are supposed to be more reliable - but this is a brand-new engine, so the two factors kind of cancel out for me. Wouldn't it be really really loud also? "Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message news Anybody have any experience?? Yet?? Is it too good to be true - a 205hp turnbine for $30K? I'm thinking of putting one in an RV-10. Or a Glastar Sportsman. Or a KIS Cruiser. ~Paul Folbrecht ~PP-SEL ~C152 89795 ~MWC |
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