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"John T" wrote in message
... The Citation was involved in the intercept although the Blackhawk was the one flying formation - at least until the F-16s showed up. That was reported from the beginning. Saying that the F16s were "flying formation" with the C150 is a bit of a stretch of the term... You might as well say that buzzards circling overhead as you're dying in the desert are "flying formation" with ya'... |
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"gatt" wrote in message
... so what do you guys think of it? Sounds like, all the hysteria and other issues aside, the pilot really screwed the pooch on many basic levels. -c HOW do you as a safe, qualified pilot fly over Washington DC and not know it's Washington DC? Are there any pilots in these forums that DON'T know it's restricted airspace? I think it was warranted. If an instructor shows such poor judgement as to violate a highly publicised ADIZ through lack of adequate flight planning and usage of advanced navigation equipment (hell, even VOR would do the trick), he needs to be given remedial instruction. A year off to think about it sounds fair and proper. |
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Interested folks need to read Mr. Sheaffer's issued statement, reported
on AVWEB and AOPA.... denny |
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On Mon, 23 May 2005 14:54:34 -0700, "gatt"
wrote: so what do you guys think of it? Sounds like, all the hysteria and other issues aside, the pilot really screwed the pooch on many basic levels. Their side of the story is at http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050520/205544.html?.v=1 The FAA says "Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of pilots before operating an aircraft, the FAA said. He failed to check the weather report before leaving Smoketown, Pennsylvania, and he didn't check the FAA's "Notices to Airmen," which informs pilots of airspace restrictions." They say they "checked various weather websites on his home computer for the flight area and consulted the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA) website, looking for Temporary Flight Restrictions (TFR). " Course, none of it's recorded since they didn't use DUAT(S) so... |
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Grumman-581 wrote: "John T" wrote in message ... The Citation was involved in the intercept although the Blackhawk was the one flying formation - at least until the F-16s showed up. That was reported from the beginning. Saying that the F16s were "flying formation" with the C150 is a bit of a stretch of the term... You might as well say that buzzards circling overhead as you're dying in the desert are "flying formation" with ya'... He didn't say that. He said that the Blackhawk was flying formation unil the F-16s got there. According to various reports, that's when the Blackhawk broke off. While working in a restricted area on a missile range in the 80s, I once requested that some F-15s to intercept a hot air balloon that had strayed over a hot range. Now that was a funny intercept! John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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Customs has been doing aerial intercept of aircraft for years, primarily
from an anti-drug standpoint. There are two based here in suburban Houston, and we have had them as a speaker before (pre-9/11) regarding their ops (safety meeting/PR material) What were they doing? They were tracking the target. Just like they always do. Dave Peter R. wrote: John T wrote: The Citation was involved in the intercept although the Blackhawk was the one flying formation - at least until the F-16s showed up. That was reported from the beginning. Thanks. I guess I missed that. These newsgroups should be required reading for every pilot. :-) |
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keep in mind this is an "Emergency Revocation".
The pilot involved still is entitled to his due process, and the action MAY (we are talking hypothetically, here) be overturned at the completion of that due process. He has yet to actually have his formal meeting, etc.. Dave A.Coleman wrote: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...&sn=018&sc=478 AA Revokes License of D.C. 'Alert' Pilot - Monday, May 23, 2005 (05-23) 12:15 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- The government has revoked the license of the pilot in charge of the small plane that strayed to within three miles of the White House on May 11, forcing the panicked evacuation of thousands of people from the executive mansion, Capitol and Supreme Court. Though hundreds of people have mistakenly flown into Washington's restricted airspace, this was believed to be the first such revocation. The Federal Aviation Administration said Monday that it had issued an emergency revocation of Hayden L. Sheaffer's pilot's license because he "constitutes an unacceptable risk to safety in air commerce." The agency said no action would be taken against Sheaffer's student, who was also in the plane. "This action reflects the seriousness in which we view all restricted airspace violations and, in this case, the level of incursion into restricted airspace," said FAA spokesman Greg Martin. The plane entered restricted airspace and then continued flying toward highly sensitive areas, prompting evacuations of tens of thousands of people as military aircraft scrambled to intercept it. The student, 36-year-old Troy Martin, who had logged only 30 hours of flight time, had control of the small Cessna single engine plane when a U.S. Customs Service Black Hawk helicopter and a Citation jet intercepted it. Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of pilots before operating an aircraft, the FAA said. He failed to check the weather report before leaving Smoketown, Pa., and he didn't check the FAA's "Notices to Airmen," which informs pilots of airspace restrictions. ___ On the Net: Federal Aviation Administration: www.faa.gov URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...a121517D16.DTL ©2005 Associated Press |
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In rec.aviation.owning Dave S wrote:
keep in mind this is an "Emergency Revocation". The pilot involved still is entitled to his due process, and the action MAY (we are talking hypothetically, here) be overturned at the completion of that due process. He has yet to actually have his formal meeting, etc.. Dave snip The odds of the NTSB overturning this are somewhere between zero and not a chance in hell. For more and the specific regulations (8) violated: http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...050523faa.html -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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I agree that this guy's ticket is gone gone gone... but my point is...
before we lynch the fella, we are going to ensure he has a fair trial. He has not had that yet. Dave |
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("gatt" wrote)
What in the #(*$%& is a customs jet going to do to protect our national government against a C150? Fly into it. *shrug* History Channel - May 15th (Don't know when it's on again) "The Hurricane That Saved London" (From the show page) Only one fighter plane ever crashed in the streets of London during WWII, and the story of the crash is the stuff of novels. We join a team of excavators, at a busy intersection just blocks from Buckingham Palace, that is about to uncover what remains of it. We also get the firsthand account of the crash from the doomed plane's pilot Ray Holmes, who is still alive to tell his story. While defending London from Nazi attacks, Holmes rammed his fighter plane into a German bomber in a desperate attempt to deflect the bomber from its target--Buckingham Palace. It worked, but not before Holmes lost control of his own plane and was forced to eject. http://www.historychannel.com/global/listings/listings_weekly.jsp?fromYear=2005&fromMonth=4&from Date=15&NetwCode=THC&timezone=2&View=Weekly&&fromT ime=18 http://makeashorterlink.com/?F53F2402B (Same History Channel link as above) Montblack |
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