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Old March 28th 05, 04:52 AM
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"Blabla" wrote in message
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Newps wrote:



Roy Smith wrote:




Hi Tom. That's a common trick the tower uses at HPN to get multiple
departures out quicker. I get it every once in a while. I can't say
for sure, but I suspect it's only possible when one of the flights is
VFR.



IFR or VFR is not relavant.


Size is ! turbulence effect should be kepp in mind :-)


Right. I took off from Oshkosh once in a Taylorcraft. There was a Tailwind
next to me who took off first. I broke ground just before the point where
he broke ground. When I flew into his wake I got rolled about fortyfive
degrees at less than 10 feet AGL. It INSTANTLY got my full attention! :-)

Highflyer
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Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )


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Old March 28th 05, 07:36 AM
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:05:27 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
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"Tom Fleischman" k wrote in
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This was a new one for me.

I was IFR this afternoon out of HPN for short practice flight. I was in
sequence number two at the runway waiting for departure. As the tower
controller cleared the Cessna in front of me to position and hold, he
asked him his direction of flight. The Cessna pilot responded
"Northbound". The controller then instructed the Cessna to position 50
feet north on Rwy 34, and then he cleared me to position and hold
behind the Cessna. The Cessna was VFR. I questioned the clearance,
reminding him that there was an airplane on the runway in front of me.
He told me to position and hold behind the traffic. As I taxiied into
position, he cleared the Cessna for takeoff and as soon as the Cessna
broke ground he cleared me for takeoff. I was using a DP which includes
a turn to the left. The Cessna was instructed to turn out to the right.

I've been flying out of HPN since 1992 and I have never seen or heard
of anything like this being done there before, ever.

Did I miss something??


Never been to OSH eh? You get lined up six at a time.


Last time I took off on 18 at OSH (left side of centerline), I not
only passed the guy ahead of me, but I caught the next one just
beyond the end of the runway, made my left turn at 3000 and headed for
home.

Landing? Absolutely no place for a pilot who always flys a stabilized
pattern. I counted 25 between down wind, base and final. Of course
base and final are *short*. :-))

The 25 were all north of the control tower to the water tower, down
wind, base, and final.

That was the day the "Blue Bonanza" flew a regular pattern instead of
strictly adhering to the tower's instructions.

Blue Bonanza, put your gear down now... Blue Bonanza put your gear
down.... Blue Bonanza, turn base now.... Blue Bonanza turn base
NOW!... Blue...Bonanza...Turn...BASE... NOW...
Awhhhhh...Don't go clearrrr to the lake.

(I wish I had that one on tape)

He did, down wind to the lake, base and then final all the way from
the lake with IFR traffic coming in on the VOR 27.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
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Old March 28th 05, 01:49 PM
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"Roger" wrote in message
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That was the day the "Blue Bonanza" flew a regular pattern instead of
strictly adhering to the tower's instructions.

Blue Bonanza, put your gear down now... Blue Bonanza put your gear
down.... Blue Bonanza, turn base now.... Blue Bonanza turn base
NOW!... Blue...Bonanza...Turn...BASE... NOW...
Awhhhhh...Don't go clearrrr to the lake.


Winnebago or Michigan?


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Old March 28th 05, 02:55 PM
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Morgans wrote:
"Dave Stadt" wrote

Never been to OSH eh? You get lined up six at a time.


I have never seen that. They do pull someone onto the runway in pairs, as
soon as the departing plane releases brakes. They line you up on left and
right sides of the runway, and alternate departing left, then right.

This was on 18; I don't what they do with the IFR departures on 9/27.


That's my recollection, too. I don't remember ever seeing 6 at a time except for
the airshow performers.
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Old March 28th 05, 03:00 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
link.net...

"Roger" wrote in message
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That was the day the "Blue Bonanza" flew a regular pattern instead of
strictly adhering to the tower's instructions.

Blue Bonanza, put your gear down now... Blue Bonanza put your gear
down.... Blue Bonanza, turn base now.... Blue Bonanza turn base
NOW!... Blue...Bonanza...Turn...BASE... NOW...
Awhhhhh...Don't go clearrrr to the lake.


Winnebago or Michigan?



Huron


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Old March 28th 05, 03:04 PM
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Highflyer wrote:

Right. I took off from Oshkosh once in a Taylorcraft. There was a Tailwind
next to me who took off first. I broke ground just before the point where
he broke ground. When I flew into his wake I got rolled about fortyfive
degrees at less than 10 feet AGL. It INSTANTLY got my full attention! :-)


Same thing happened to me on landing in a Cherokee behind a light twin at
Lakeland. I was in the right seat, not flying. The pilot flying handled it and
got it down. I think that was the most fear I've ever felt in a GA airplane.
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Old March 28th 05, 09:57 PM
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B. Jensen wrote:
Tom,

I believe that as long as both aircraft are diverging by 30 degrees on
climbout headings, this is perfectly legal.


15 degrees.
 




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