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Phrase "landing runway" vs. "cleared to land"
On Jan 15, 3:07*pm, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "Brian" wrote in message ... I agree it sounds like an error on the part of the controller. It doesn't just sound like an error, it's definitely an error. FAA Order 7110.65R Air Traffic Control Chapter 3. Airport Traffic Control- Terminal Is there an online source for this? The AIM is online, but it didn't have an answer to the OP. |
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Phrase "landing runway" vs. "cleared to land"
wrote in message ... Is there an online source for this? The AIM is online, but it didn't have an answer to the OP. http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff.../media/ATC.pdf |
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Phrase "landing runway" vs. "cleared to land"
But there is a requirement to obtain all relevant information for a flight
and I think there is a argument to be made that you should at least be aware of both vfr and ifr reporting points in close proximity to your intended landing point. and if you hear a radio report of someone inbound to a airport that your flying in to and don't know where that point is, it behooves you to ask . "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ... On Jan 15, 12:24 pm, kontiki wrote: wrote: I can't see much sense in demanding that VFR pilots learn about IFR and buy or download the approach plates so they can understand a radio message from an IFR flight doing practice in VFR conditions (or when conditions are VFR at the relevant airport). If an instructor can't explain to a student (with a simple diagram) what the fixes are for the common instrument approaches at the airport they are doing their students a disfavor. There is no requirement for VFR pilots to visit an airport with an instructor before they first fly to that airport. Likewise there is no requirement for VFR pilots to purchase approach plates and enroute charts for cross country airports. -Robert |
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Phrase "landing runway" vs. "cleared to land"
"Pilots who wish to conduct instrument approaches should be particularly
alert for other aircraft in the pattern so as to avoid interrupting the flow of traffic. Position reports on the CTAF should include distance and direction from the airport, as well as the pilot's intentions upon completion of the approach." From section 7 of:http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...visoryCircular... Well. I think it boils down to this: a pilot should not depend on other pilots going beyond what is required of them to be in the air. A student pilot does not need to know anything about IFR operations to be in the air. Can you count on him knowing what IFR announcements on the radio mean? No. A private pilot does not need to know anything about IFR operations to be in the air. Can't count on him either. I appreciate that it's a good idea to learn about IFR, and I am. However, in my spare time studies of this I haven't read yet about approach procedures or the radio announcements that describe it. I wouldn't advise anyone with an IFR rating counting on me understanding such communications. The FAA doesn't advise that either. |
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Phrase "landing runway" vs. "cleared to land"
On Jan 15, 12:55*pm, kontiki wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote: There is no requirement for VFR pilots to visit an airport with an instructor before they first fly to that airport. Likewise there is no requirement for VFR pilots to purchase approach plates and enroute charts for cross country airports. Of course there "is no requirement...". No one said anything about VFR pilots purchasing approach plates and teaching them IFR (perish the mere thought!). Re-read my post. Where I trained (and where I now teach) there are constantly people practicing instrument approaches and we hear calls like "...N1234a is procedure turn inbound ILS23.." or "N1234a is YUPPY inbound ILS 32..." Most students want to know what that means. In any case it behooves an instructor to explain.. once explained the student will no longer be ignorant and will ultimately be a safer pilot when he's out soloing. So do you disagree that the IFR pilot was wrong to use language that other pilots may not understand? The IFR pilot would certainly be foolish if he relied on all VFR pilots knowing the IFR waypoints and approach fixes at each airport. -Robert |
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Phrase "landing runway" vs. "cleared to land"
"John" wrote:
But there is a requirement to obtain all relevant information for a flight and I think there is a argument to be made that you should at least be aware of both vfr and ifr reporting points in close proximity to your intended landing point. and if you hear a radio report of someone inbound to a airport that your flying in to and don't know where that point is, it behooves you to ask . Can't agree with you on this. I go to a lot of new airports and I don't intend to know where every IFR position is. Ron Lee |
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Phrase "landing runway" vs. "cleared to land"
kontiki wrote in news:wD7jj.2225$7d1.59
@news01.roc.ny: Robert M. Gary wrote: Yea, we teach (or are suppose to teach) IFR pilots not to do that. Its not very helpful for the intended purpose (to let everyone know where you are). -Robert, CFII Flight instructors should at least tell their students about what IFR fixes are and where they are (at that airport). Its not rocket science and it will help the student in the long run. I agree with tish poast. Bertie |
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