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Hi the Meteor was used to shoot down V1 missiles it was quite good at it!
too so it was band from front line service i think until the end of the war. "Gordon" wrote in message ... They were so confident in the Meteor that they wouldn't put it in combat against the 262. I have read that the British were afraid the Germans might gain the advanced technology if one was shot down. I've alway wonder what advanced technology was being referred to. Agree, Walt! The Me 262 A-1a with 24 R4Ms and an EZ42 revi installed was a monster in comparison to the Mk 1 Meteors. No RAF pilot I have spoken with has expressed doubts in this regard, including men who flew both. v/r Gordon ====(A+C==== USN SAR Aircrew "Got anything on your radar, SENSO?" "Nothing but my forehead, sir." |
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Subject: #1 Jet of World War II
From: (The Revolution Will Not Be Televised) Date: 7/4/03 6:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: Nobody could guarantee meeting the 262 in combat: the RAF didn't see much of them in general, so the r We damn well did see them. They weren't exactly invisible. Arthur Kramer Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" skrev i melding ... Subject: #1 Jet of World War II From: (The Revolution Will Not Be Televised) Date: 7/4/03 6:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: Nobody could guarantee meeting the 262 in combat: the RAF didn't see much of them in general, so the r We damn well did see them. They weren't exactly invisible. I just read "War in the air" by Stephen Coonts,in it is a chapter where Adolf Galland describes his last sortie of the war - leading 6 Me-262s against a formation of Mauraders on April 26. |
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From: "Peter Glasų" pgglaso@ broadpark.no Date: 7/4/03 9:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time just read "War in the air" by Stephen Coonts,in it is a chapter where Adolf Galland describes his last sortie of the war - leading 6 Me-262s against a formation of Mauraders on April 26. Thanks. I read that account in Galland's "The First and the Last". Good book by. Glad it wasn't our group he hit that day.(sigh) Arthur Kramer Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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On another subject, you couldn't give me a realistic cruising speed
for B.IX/B.XVI mossies in '44'45, could you? I mean a real one, including bombload, etc? Many thanks if you can, if not don't worry about it. If you give me some time to pull it off GEE mission logs, surely. Other choice to ask Mark Huxtable at Mossie.org - he is building an overly large-scale Mk IX and is quite the expert. v/r Gordon |
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From: (Peter Stickney) Date: 7/14/03 6:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: Best range cruise speed fpr any type of Mosquito would be 'bout 170 kts/196 mph IAS. That is a very interesting number. I can't help but compare it to the B-26 which got its best range at 180 IAS loaded with steel plate armor and bristling with machine guns and carrying a crew of 6. Take off the armor, take off the guns and top turret and cut the crew to two and the B-26 may well have outperformed the Mosquito by a large margin.. Arthur Kramer Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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(ArtKramr) writes: Subject: #1 Jet of World War II From: (Peter Stickney) Date: 7/14/03 6:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: Best range cruise speed fpr any type of Mosquito would be 'bout 170 kts/196 mph IAS. That is a very interesting number. I can't help but compare it to the B-26 which got its best range at 180 IAS loaded with steel plate armor and bristling with machine guns and carrying a crew of 6. Take off the armor, take off the guns and top turret and cut the crew to two and the B-26 may well have outperformed the Mosquito by a large margin.. Well, not quite, perhaps. To a certain extent, best economical cruise speed was independant of the top speed. Best economical cruise is the airspeed that gives the minumum power required to maintain level flight at that altitude. Max Speed depends on the total power available. That being said, a cleaned-up B-26 would go pretty danged fast. According to the USAAF Characteristics Summary for teh B-26C, which is derived from flight test data, a combat-equipped 'C' topped out at 282 mph TAS at 15,000', or about 225 IAS. That's quite a bit over the 180 IAS cruise that you guys used. As I remember it, one pf the postwar Bendix Racers was a cleaned-up Martin B-26C (For you kids, the Bendix was an Unlimited Transcontinental Air Race. ) I don't recall how it fared. Given the way things went at that time, the winner that year would have been either Paul Mantz in his slicked-up P-51 (No pylons, no drop tanks, and the gun and ammunition bays in the wings sealed and used fro more fuel, allowing a non-stop trancontinental flight at Maximum Continuous Power). But for an old lady (A prewar design, after all, the B-26 could really move, when it needed to. I just double checked, he numbers I gave are a bit muddied-up, too. I've two Pilot's Handbooks for the Mosquito, one for the FB.6 (Fighter-Bomber) from 1950, and one for the various single-stage Merlin Night Fighters, published in 1945. The numbers I quoted were from the FB.6 handbook, and the NF.12 handbook is different. The NF.12 book lists best cruise as 220 mph IAS, which is nudging 330 TAS at 25,000'. and 360 TAS at 30,000'. It's possible that the FB.6 numbers are for an airplane carrying external bombs and rockets, but it doesn't say. Of course, these a Brit P.O.H.s, and the philosopy there is a bit different. The sum total of cruise instructions are "Try to fly at this airspeed, withoug exceeding that power setting. Yo should get thus fuel consumption." The equivalent American -1 would have an entire chapter of graphs, charts, formulae, and tables to precisely duplicate every condition. (You'd asked about differences in Aircrew Training. It could well be we've stumbled onto one). Which method is better? Who knows. The U.S.Anian one is certainly more exact, but the natural variation between aircraft, especially after they've been bashed around for a while, makes that level of precision a bit dubious. And just what is Max Speed for a bomber, anyway? 5 Minutes of War Emergency Power doesn't make too much sense, or even 15 minutes at Military Power. You can get some amazing numbers that way, that will never show up in real life. An example would be the Italian Breda 88 Attac Bomber. It was a damned serious looking twin engine light bomber that went into service with a fantastic reputation. The prototype set quite a number of speed/load/distance records, and it sure seemed fierce. When they were finally issued to the Regia Aeronautica units in North Africa, they discovered that they had an airplane that couldn't climb out of ground effect on takeoff with a full fuel load, and was in danger of colliding with the Libyan sand dunes. -- Pete Stickney A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures. -- Daniel Webster |
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Peter Stickney wrote:
snip I just double checked, he numbers I gave are a bit muddied-up, too. I've two Pilot's Handbooks for the Mosquito, one for the FB.6 (Fighter-Bomber) from 1950, and one for the various single-stage Merlin Night Fighters, published in 1945. The numbers I quoted were from the FB.6 handbook, and the NF.12 handbook is different. The NF.12 book lists best cruise as 220 mph IAS, which is nudging 330 TAS at 25,000'. and 360 TAS at 30,000'. It's possible that the FB.6 numbers are for an airplane carrying external bombs and rockets, but it doesn't say. This site should clear up some of the confusion (you need to scroll down quite a ways): http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bfillery/mossie02.htm "Recommended" cruise is 220 IAS outbound, 210 IAS return, for both single and two-stage a/c. The post-war limits (weight etc.) seem to have been dialed back considerably from wartime. Guy |
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