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I want to install a Winter 4FGH 40 altimeter with an EASA Form 1
certificate in my S-LSA motorglider with the Becker TSO'd transponder. My avionics shop says that the altimeter must be TSO'd as well. Can anyone cite FAA regulations about this issue? Any information would be welcome. |
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the Winter 4FGH40 is TSO'd, that's what the EASA Form one is and says
so.....certifed the same as and accepted here in the USA the same as they accept our approvals tim Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com "Phoenixmotoman" wrote in message ... I want to install a Winter 4FGH 40 altimeter with an EASA Form 1 certificate in my S-LSA motorglider with the Becker TSO'd transponder. My avionics shop says that the altimeter must be TSO'd as well. Can anyone cite FAA regulations about this issue? Any information would be welcome. |
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Am 06.12.10 22:23, schrieb Tim Mara:
the Winter 4FGH40 is TSO'd, that's what the EASA Form one is and says so..... Just to nitpick: EASA Form 1 is just what it's called: a form. The form per se doesn't mean an instrument is TSOed, it can as well be written on the form that it isn't. However, in practice, you're correct: An instrument usually only comes with a Form 1 when it's TSOed. EASA Form 1 is the equivalent of FAA Form 8130-3. The USA and EASA country mutually acknowledge each other's form. |
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On Dec 6, 2:23*pm, "Tim Mara" wrote:
the Winter 4FGH40 is TSO'd, that's what the EASA Form one is and says so.....certifed the same as and accepted here in the USA the same as they accept our approvals The TSO for altimeter, pressure actuated, sensitive type, is C10b. I have a Winter 4FGH40 in my sailplane . It was recently returned from Winter after overhaul with an EASA Form 1. Nowhere on that form, or in any Winter spec, can I find a statement that the Winter 4FGH40 complies with TSO C10b. Tim, please give me a reference to a Winter spec that claims TSO C10b compliance. My form 1 in this case merely certifies that the work done (overhaul) was accomplished in accordance with FAR-145 and the work item is satisfactory for release to service. As to the OP's question - I know of no requirement for your altimeter to be TSO compliant. Get your avionics shop to show the regulation, and if they can't take your work somewhere else. Andy |
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I would look into the requirements for LSA aircraft. I do not believe
LSA aircraftt are required to have TSO'd equipment of any type. ALso many aircraft manufacturers list approved equipment. Most of the European manufacturers include the Becker and Winter equipment. This is considered approval data. Rex |
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If it is for use with a Transponder then the TSO is a
requirement....Transponders are TSO (only) installations and the requirement for the TSO also is in connection with the altimeter....providing it is for altitude reporting transponders (mode C) tim Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com "Rex" wrote in message ... I would look into the requirements for LSA aircraft. I do not believe LSA aircraftt are required to have TSO'd equipment of any type. ALso many aircraft manufacturers list approved equipment. Most of the European manufacturers include the Becker and Winter equipment. This is considered approval data. Rex __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5682 (20101207) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5682 (20101207) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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On Dec 7, 9:31*am, "Tim Mara" wrote:
If it is for use with a Transponder then the TSO is a requirement....Transponders are TSO (only) installations and the requirement for the TSO also is in connection with the altimeter....providing it is for altitude reporting transponders (mode C) tim Please visit the Wings & Wheels website I've already pojnted to the FARs ti clarify both main points but you seem to be disagreeing so can you point to a FAR to substantiate either claim here? So again/in more detail... Transponders themselves are strictly a "meets the performance and environmental requirements of TSO blah" see 14CFR 91.215 so it is technically up to the person signing off the installation to determine this. Which has allowed transponders without TSO approval to be installed. But most shops will say that will only install a Transponder with TSO approval. But this us really not relevant to the original question. For non-IFR aircraft I do not believe adding a transponder requires the altimeter to be TSOed. See my earlier post and the FARs quoted there. If you want to disagree please quote the relevant FARs. Darryl |
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Am 07.12.10 03:07, schrieb Andy:
The TSO for altimeter, pressure actuated, sensitive type, is C10b. I have a Winter 4FGH40 in my sailplane . It was recently returned from Winter after overhaul with an EASA Form 1. Nowhere on that form, or in any Winter spec, can I find a statement that the Winter 4FGH40 complies with TSO C10b. My form 1 in this case merely certifies that the work done (overhaul) was accomplished in accordance with FAR-145 and the work item is satisfactory for release to service. Which is how the form 1 works. If a manufactorer sells a new instrument with a form 1, then the TSO norm to which the instrument complies (if any) is written to that form. If you get an instrument overhauled, then that form 1 says that is has been overhauled according to the regulations by a repair shop with a license (if so), and nothing more. The new form 1 doesn't replace the older. Winter sells both TSOed and not TSOed altimeteres. As you can guess, they differ heavily in price (you get about three non-TSOed for one TSOed). Looking at the price, the 4FGH40 seems to be TSOed. But if you want to know, why don't you just send a mail to Winter and ask? Winter tends to be pretty responsive, at least so has been my experience. |
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On 12/7/2010 5:05 AM, John Smith wrote:
Am 07.12.10 03:07, schrieb Andy: The TSO for altimeter, pressure actuated, sensitive type, is C10b. I have a Winter 4FGH40 in my sailplane . It was recently returned from Winter after overhaul with an EASA Form 1. Nowhere on that form, or in any Winter spec, can I find a statement that the Winter 4FGH40 complies with TSO C10b. My form 1 in this case merely certifies that the work done (overhaul) was accomplished in accordance with FAR-145 and the work item is satisfactory for release to service. Which is how the form 1 works. If a manufactorer sells a new instrument with a form 1, then the TSO norm to which the instrument complies (if any) is written to that form. If you get an instrument overhauled, then that form 1 says that is has been overhauled according to the regulations by a repair shop with a license (if so), and nothing more. The new form 1 doesn't replace the older. Winter sells both TSOed and not TSOed altimeteres. As you can guess, they differ heavily in price (you get about three non-TSOed for one TSOed). Looking at the price, the 4FGH40 seems to be TSOed. But if you want to know, why don't you just send a mail to Winter and ask? Winter tends to be pretty responsive, at least so has been my experience. Are there any physical differences between the TSOed and non-TSOed versions, or are you just paying extra for the paperwork? -- Mike Schumann |
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On Dec 6, 7:07*pm, Andy wrote:
My form 1 in this case merely certifies that the work done (overhaul) was accomplished in accordance with FAR-145 and the work item is satisfactory for release to service. Sorry, typing error, it certifies JAR-145 not FAR-145 compliance. |
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