If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#61
|
|||
|
|||
Question of aborted landing after instrument approach
Sam Spade wrote:
Newps wrote: Sam Spade wrote: Newps wrote: Jim Macklin wrote: On a missed approach begun early, prior to reaching the MAP, climb to the missed approach altitude but do not turn until reaching the MAP or that point indicated on the chart. If a turn is indicated, perform that turn as charted, but not prior to the expected position past the MAP. From a well known instrument instructor and writer: I don't believe this is true. Follow the instructions WHEREVER you start the miss, and there is no need to fly to the MAP, UNLESS specified. Standard challenge of mine for many decades: Find me an approach anywhere where executing the miss as stated will get you in trouble if you miss "early" inside the FAF. I've no objection if you DO it to feel good, but I don't believe it is a REQUIREMENT, built into the system. Best... John John obviously doesn't know TERPs criteria. So name an approach where you get in trouble by flying the published missed prior to the MAP where it doesn't say on the plate specifically not to do that. The problem is what he says, "There is to need to fly to the MAP, unless specified." Correctuin, I left out the critical word "no." |
#62
|
|||
|
|||
Question of aborted landing after instrument approach
Sam Spade wrote: So name an approach where you get in trouble by flying the published missed prior to the MAP where it doesn't say on the plate specifically not to do that. The problem is what he says, "There is to need to fly to the MAP, unless specified." There is no problem beginning the missed approach early. There is a huge problem not continuing to the MAP (as you climb, of course) on an early missed approach. I'll take that as an I can't. |
#63
|
|||
|
|||
Question of aborted landing after instrument approach
"Hamish Reid" wrote in message ... In article om, wrote: Ah, that makes sense! However, let's say it was a snowplow or a deer, or a mechanical problem with the landing gear (that's far fetched since the gear goes down sooner -- or at least it does when I'm flying ) A snowplow on the runway at HAF?! You'd have a lot more problems than just flying the missed :-). By then hell would have frozen over |
#64
|
|||
|
|||
Question of aborted landing after instrument approach
Okay, snowplow is a little far-fetched. Maybe one of those old abandoned cop cars somehow rolls onto the runway. -- dgj Chris wrote: "Hamish Reid" wrote in message ... In article om, wrote: Ah, that makes sense! However, let's say it was a snowplow or a deer, or a mechanical problem with the landing gear (that's far fetched since the gear goes down sooner -- or at least it does when I'm flying ) A snowplow on the runway at HAF?! You'd have a lot more problems than just flying the missed :-). By then hell would have frozen over |
#65
|
|||
|
|||
Question of aborted landing after instrument approach
Newps writes: [...] There is no problem beginning the missed approach early. There is a huge problem not continuing to the MAP (as you climb, of course) on an early missed approach. I'll take that as an I can't. Well, the burden of proof isn't exactly on him, to search all the approaches just to justify the plainly written regulatory text. But here's one for you: KSFF ILS/DME 21R. If one makes the missed approach left turn before DME 0.7, one might hit that wee 4500-footer hill directly south of the airport. - FChE |
#66
|
|||
|
|||
Question of aborted landing after instrument approach
Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: Newps writes: [...] There is no problem beginning the missed approach early. There is a huge problem not continuing to the MAP (as you climb, of course) on an early missed approach. I'll take that as an I can't. Well, the burden of proof isn't exactly on him, to search all the approaches just to justify the plainly written regulatory text. But here's one for you: KSFF ILS/DME 21R. If one makes the missed approach left turn before DME 0.7, one might hit that wee 4500-footer hill directly south of the airport. I don't see how that would be a problem. The missed is only 10 degrees off your inbound course. |
#67
|
|||
|
|||
Question of aborted landing after instrument approach
Newps wrote:
Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: Newps writes: [...] There is no problem beginning the missed approach early. There is a huge problem not continuing to the MAP (as you climb, of course) on an early missed approach. I'll take that as an I can't. Well, the burden of proof isn't exactly on him, to search all the approaches just to justify the plainly written regulatory text. But here's one for you: KSFF ILS/DME 21R. If one makes the missed approach left turn before DME 0.7, one might hit that wee 4500-footer hill directly south of the airport. I don't see how that would be a problem. The missed is only 10 degrees off your inbound course. Try an early turn to JESIE on the KEGE LDA DME Runway 25. |
#68
|
|||
|
|||
Question of aborted landing after instrument approach
"Sam Spade" wrote in message ... I don't see how that would be a problem. The missed is only 10 degrees off your inbound course. Try an early turn to JESIE on the KEGE LDA DME Runway 25. A turn before the VOR would not be following the missed approach procedure, no matter where the procedure is started. Climbing direct to the VOR, per the missed approach procedure, from any point on the procedure track prior to the MAP, would provide adequate clearance. |
#69
|
|||
|
|||
Question of aborted landing after instrument approach
Stan Prevost wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message ... I don't see how that would be a problem. The missed is only 10 degrees off your inbound course. Try an early turn to JESIE on the KEGE LDA DME Runway 25. A turn before the VOR would not be following the missed approach procedure, no matter where the procedure is started. Climbing direct to the VOR, per the missed approach procedure, from any point on the procedure track prior to the MAP, would provide adequate clearance. I agree. But, that is not what everyone thinks to seem. |
#70
|
|||
|
|||
Question of aborted landing after instrument approach
Newps writes: But here's one for you: KSFF ILS/DME 21R. If one makes the missed approach left turn before DME 0.7, one might hit that wee 4500-footer hill directly south of the airport. I don't see how that would be a problem. The missed is only 10 degrees off your inbound course. That's ten degrees in *heading*, off of an inbound course that had navigational guidance. Add some north wind, a late climb, sloppy heading control, and some bad luck, and *bang*. Plus it's not just obstructions. In airport-dense areas, I would imagine one might trespass on others' airspace by such shenanigans. Come to think of it, what is the earliest point along the approach that you would consider it legitimate to turn toward the MAP? If in your mind, that's the FAF, why? - FChE |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Silly controller | Robert M. Gary | Piloting | 119 | August 30th 06 01:56 AM |
Silly controller | Robert M. Gary | Instrument Flight Rules | 123 | August 30th 06 01:56 AM |
Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How? | Rick Umali | Piloting | 29 | February 15th 06 04:40 AM |
Approaches and takeoff mins. | jamin3508 | Instrument Flight Rules | 22 | September 14th 05 02:51 AM |
Which of these approaches is loggable? | Paul Tomblin | Instrument Flight Rules | 26 | August 16th 03 05:22 PM |