Any Hornet / Hornet C owners.

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:04:11 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 2:26:39 PM UTC-4, Scott Williams wrote:
On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 12:28:17 PM UTC-5, wrote:
I have a few questions and was hoping someone could help me out!

Thanks
D
I've got a Mosquito, similar, but different.
Scott
Thx Scott, I really need the size of the wing locking pin for a Hornet. Diameter / Length... along with a pic of what the wing tool looks like. There isn't a way to be sure if the sizes are the same with the Libelle, and or Mosquito.

D
I happen to jointly own a Hornet C. We have a spare main pin and pin tool. Email me for details.

On Tue, 01 Sep 2020 14:18:59 -0700, WB wrote:

Flapped glider wings use much different airfoils from non-flapped glider
wings. A flapped wing with the flaps fixed would have terrible overall
performance. No one does that.

AFAK the 201 Std Libelle, 205 Club Libelle and 206 Hornet all use the
same wing section, with the Hornet using the same wings and tail as the
205 Club. Both 205 and 206 have the same powerful trailing edge air
brakes.

The 206 can't have flaps by definition: its a Std Class glider.

At last count there were four 201s (including mine) and a 205 based at my
club's airfield.

Those who have flown both the 205 and a 201 reckon there's not a lot of
difference in performance, with the main differences being the 205's T-
tail and much roomier cockpit. It has a fixed wheel too, but that is well
buried in the fuselage.

And, no I've never seen either a 301 Open Libelle or a 206 Hornet.


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Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

True dat!Â* My first glider was a Mosquito and, 30-odd years later when I
was between gliders, I had a borrowed Mosquito to fill the gap.Â* Love
the handling and the trailing edge dive brakes!

On 9/1/2020 3:18 PM, WB wrote:
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 10:09:18 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
That's interesting. Given that the Mosquito and Hornet look exactly
alike from any distance, I always assumed the Hornet's wing was the same
as the Mosquito's except for not having flaps.

Flapped glider wings use much different airfoils from non-flapped glider wings. A flapped wing with the flaps fixed would have terrible overall performance. No one does that.

The Hornet was developed by taking the wing and tail of the club Libelle and designing an entirely new forward fuselage for it. Oh, and the Hornet was probably the first with the automatic control hookups that AS and SH use to this day. The Mosquito followed and used the same fuselage design with an entirely new flapped wing. The 304 followed the Mosquito and was a new wing with different airfoils on the Mosquito fuselage.

If Hanle had lived, we'd all be flying Glasflugel today!




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Dan, 5J

On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 4:45:19 PM UTC-5, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2020 14:18:59 -0700, WB wrote:

And, no I've never seen either a 301 Open Libelle or a 206 Hornet.


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Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

There weren't many 301's to start with and most have migrated to the west side of the pond.

There's a test available at https://www.segelflug.de/tests/HORNE...cht_Hornet.pdf. It's in German, but you can easily translate it with any online translator. I think this document nicely points out strengths and weaknesses of the Hornet. The glide performance is good for its age. Flight characteristics are okay but not as nice as other ships like LS1-f or ASW19. Aileron effectivity is a bit low when circling in thermals.

The Hornet has the trailing edge brakes shortened from the Club-Libelle, which also has no water tanks and a lighter wing structure.

On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 4:19:02 PM UTC-5, WB wrote:
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 10:09:18 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
That's interesting. Given that the Mosquito and Hornet look exactly
alike from any distance, I always assumed the Hornet's wing was the same
as the Mosquito's except for not having flaps.
Flapped glider wings use much different airfoils from non-flapped glider wings. A flapped wing with the flaps fixed would have terrible overall performance. No one does that.

The Hornet was developed by taking the wing and tail of the club Libelle and designing an entirely new forward fuselage for it. Oh, and the Hornet was probably the first with the automatic control hookups that AS and SH use to this day. The Mosquito followed and used the same fuselage design with an entirely new flapped wing. The 304 followed the Mosquito and was a new wing with different airfoils on the Mosquito fuselage.

If Hanle had lived, we'd all be flying Glasflugel today!
WB, I flew an LS8-18 for 16 years with fantastic results. I had the LS6 flapped profile without the flaps. The only difference to the LS6 was a slightly changed angle of incidence for the wing. Your above post is nonsense.

Herb

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 8:45:45 PM UTC-5, Herbert Kilian wrote:
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 4:19:02 PM UTC-5, WB wrote:
On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 10:09:18 AM UTC-5, Dan Marotta wrote:
That's interesting. Given that the Mosquito and Hornet look exactly
alike from any distance, I always assumed the Hornet's wing was the same
as the Mosquito's except for not having flaps.
Flapped glider wings use much different airfoils from non-flapped glider wings. A flapped wing with the flaps fixed would have terrible overall performance. No one does that.

The Hornet was developed by taking the wing and tail of the club Libelle and designing an entirely new forward fuselage for it. Oh, and the Hornet was probably the first with the automatic control hookups that AS and SH use to this day. The Mosquito followed and used the same fuselage design with an entirely new flapped wing. The 304 followed the Mosquito and was a new wing with different airfoils on the Mosquito fuselage.

If Hanle had lived, we'd all be flying Glasflugel today!
WB, I flew an LS8-18 for 16 years with fantastic results. I had the LS6 flapped profile without the flaps. The only difference to the LS6 was a slightly changed angle of incidence for the wing. Your above post is nonsense.

Herb

Hi Herb,

Yes, it was nonsense, based on an old, moldering understanding. You were a bit late to the party, though. Daniel set me straight a few days ago. Still, we are talking about Marker Class gliders, so not important ;-).

All the best,

Wally