Jay's Fruit Diet - Update

"Montblack" wrote in message
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That's right about where Dad was when he went into the service in the mid
1940's. I bet that described half of the enlisted men (18 year olds) at
boot camp that year - 1946.

Half? I doubt that. Even by the BMI standards (which I feel set
inappropriately low standards for taller people), that would be a surprising
number of people.

In any case, 18 year-olds are not fully grown men (or women). Many still
have a fair amount of "filling out" to do, with respect to adding muscle
mass (and a little fat, or a lot if they aren't eating right and
exercising). I was 40 pounds lighter when I was 18 than I am now. Only
about half of that is weight I consider "extra".

Pete

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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Dunno. The CDC claims that their specified BMI ranges correlate with
mortality and morbidity. But I haven't reviewed the studies myself, so I
don't have an independent opinion on the question.

Well, it has been suggested that a starvation diet leads to the longest
lifespan. In very simple creatures (eg worms) it can double their lifespan.
In the "higher" orders, the improvement is not so dramatic, but has still
been claimed to be measured.

So I suppose if your only goal is to maximize the length of your life,
starving yourself makes a lot of sense. I don't think that necessarily
means it's *healthy* to do so though. Quality of life is just as important
as length, if not more so.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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So I suppose if your only goal is to maximize the length of your life,
starving yourself makes a lot of sense. I don't think that necessarily
means it's *healthy* to do so though.

Well, they do claim to be looking at morbidity as well as mortality. But
again, I haven't looked at their methodology in any detail.

--Gary

WOW!,
I am 5'10" , and my scrawny butt weighed 131 lbs. when I went off to
Parris Island,....after having to eat all the fat bodies food for 13 weeks I
graduated at 156. I have never eaten so much in my life!
Now with my diet I have been on I have gone from 201 to 172. The
goal is 165, which is really a good weight for me. I feel so much better and
have twice the energy level!!!!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Montblack" wrote in message That's
right about where Dad was when he went into the service in the mid
1940's. I bet that described half of the enlisted men (18 year olds) at
boot camp that year - 1946.


Montblack

That's right about where Dad was when he went into the service in the mid
1940's. I bet that described half of the enlisted men (18 year olds) at
boot camp that year - 1946.

Half? I doubt that. Even by the BMI standards (which I feel set
inappropriately low standards for taller people), that would be a
surprising number of people.

I don't know about after World War II, but when my dad enlisted in 1942, the
country was still suffering from the effects of the Great Depression. Many
people didn't have enough to eat, including my father. He was my height,
and in the 140 pound range. His pictures -- and the pictures of his high
school class -- look like a bunch of concentration camp victims by today's
standards.

And his service photos are even more gaunt. They really worked those 90
day wonders, and he actually LOST weight his first year in.

It's interesting (and probably not a coincidence) that women who were
considered sexy in the 40s and 50s (Rosalind Russell; Marilyn Monroe, etc.)
were "fat" by today's standards -- yet the majority of the population was
painfully thin when compared to their counterparts today.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

("Peter Duniho" wrote)
Well, it has been suggested that a starvation diet leads to the longest
lifespan. In very simple creatures (eg worms) it can double their
lifespan. In the "higher" orders, the improvement is not so dramatic, but
has still been claimed to be measured.


Saw a show a while back ...found it.

http://www.pbs.org/safarchive/3_ask/...3_walford.html
Roy Walford as seen on Never Say Die: Eat Less - Live Longer

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...3/220758.shtml
He died. Drats.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004May3.html
Seeking the Low-Calorie Fountain of Youth
(Severely Restricted Diets May Slow Aging Process)

I'm a sucker for this stuff - it sounds good to me!

I mean ...The science is "fascinating."


Montblack
I'm 193 in 'caloric intake years.'

Jay Honeck wrote:

How tall are you? If I got down to 157, I'd be in the hospital!

(I'm 6' tall...)


Nah, you'd just be as skinny as me Jay (6', currently anywhere between
150 and 155 lbs). Dad's height, Mom's metabolism = a winning
combination (and more carrying capacity in the Arrow) :-) I'll bet I
come back from OSH a few pounds heavier though...you know, the brat a
day routine.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

("Jack Allison" wrote)
I'll bet I come back from OSH a few pounds heavier though...you know, the
brat a
day routine.


And a "tailwind" all the way home to California. Poor Steve. g


Montblack

Yesterday I happened to be listening to Wis. Public Radio and they were
interviewing a Doctor who worked for Northwestern Mutual Life Insurance in
Milwaukee. It is his job to develop risk tables for NML based upon many
factors.

His main problem with the CDC's catigorizations of underweight and
overweight based on BMI was that they had no "transition zone" before a
person was catagorized as being overweight. His thoughts are that when your
BMI is in the 25 to 27 range that you are in a transition phase and are not
as high risk as the CDC claims.

As his work includes many more variables than just weight, he also takes
into account these other factors when createing his tables. He mentioned
that just one other positive life factor, such as not smokeing, can lower an
overweight persons mortality rate to match say that of a smoker who was in
the normal BMI range.

http://www.drbobgleeson.com/ is his web site, I haven't read or bought any
of his material, I just noted that he was an interesting person to listen to
knowing that he worked for NML, a company who myself and many family members
have policies with.

Jim

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
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His thoughts are that when your
BMI is in the 25 to 27 range that you are in a transition phase and are
not
as high risk as the CDC claims.

But how high a risk does the CDC claim? They're pretty explicit that BMI is
just one indicator and is not reliably diagnostic or prognostic by itself.

--Gary