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Arnold wrote:
This interview was just after some undersecretary for Homeland Security stated to Wolf Blitzer that a "small aircraft of this size can carry 0ne or Two THOUSAND pounds of explosives". Come on, give this poor guy some credit. Perhaps he meant one to two thousand ounces. After all, he was on live TV. -- Peter |
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On 11 May 2005 12:17:58 -0700, "Kev" wrote:
Heard on Fox that aircraft was taken "without permission". Which is apparently newspeak for the actual "We didn't have this flight listed on our books" from the club owners. Although apparently everyone in the club knew these guys were flying to an airshow down South. Sure wish there was an easy way to sue newspeople for outright fabrications. Everyone wants the scoop I guess and jumps at any news at all. |
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Paul kgyy wrote: True to the rugged pioneer spirit of our great country, DC cowered for cover again as a Cessna violated the no-fly zone. Fighter jets were scrambled to deal with this imminent threat to the security of our nation. What I want to know is how an INSTRUCTOR who lives in the region can be so UNAWARE of their location in proximity to an ADIZ and a No-Fly Zone centered on the nations capitol. How one cannot be within 4 miles away from the nations capitol in the post 9/11 environment and realize "hey, am I supposed to be here"? If you are lost, get on the radio. If you are seeing landmarks that are 30-50 miles inside a restricted area, like the WASHINGTON MONUMENT and WHITE HOUSE you should be realizing something. How someone can be intercepted not only by an apache but also an F-16 and not respond to ATC calling you on 121.5 also makes me wonder. Yes... the sheeply panicked. There was organized mass panic based on unknown intentions, and that was unfortunate. What is astounding is the fact that an instructor blundered so seriously, when the areas are marked on charts, the ADIZ's are clearly described, the FSS's re-emphasize certain briefings from time to time (such as Intercept Procedures, for example). If anything, all we have managed to demonstrate is.. you can get within 3 miles now without getting shot down. Crap like this will only serve to get the "restricted areas" even larger, and more restrictive, and will undo the YEARS of work the aphabet groups have put in towards opening up the DC airspace. Un-F*#&ing believable. Dave |
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They cant? Gee.. I guess this guy listed below was lying. So, why cant
they exist? Only need a few pounds of fissionable material and some shielding. Dont need a LOT of shielding, since the guy delivering it is on a suicide mission and not really worried about radiation sickness. But Im not a nuclear physicist.. I just play one on TV :P. Dave http://armageddononline.tripod.com/nuclear.htm Why are suitcase bombs such a great risk? Russia created around 250 suitcase bombs - nuclear weapons the size of suitcases. According to a Soviet defector called Aleksander Lebed it has lost track of more than 100 - each of which could kill more than 100,000 people. Many of these bombs were distributed and hidden in hostile countries. Possibly the worst effect of a terrorist nuclear device would be that it could trigger a nuclear war. If America thought Russia had used nuclear weapons against it, it would not hesitate to retaliate; so one small nuclear device could kill billions. x-ray wrote: "Sport Pilot" wrote: Not when its possible for a C150 to carry a small A bomb in a suitcase. Apparently you do not understand nuclear weapons. 1) You can NOT put "A bomb" in a suitcase. 2) Considering the weight of such "suitcase" it would take 4 people to carry it. 3) You need explosives to compress the plutonium to approx 3 times normal density, not to mention the weight of the shielding you need, unless you want to be a martyr. 4) By skipping 3) the device would be enough radioactive to harm the one who is carrying it - they would be dead before they got to target! 5) Oh, by the way, by skipping 3) radiation sensors around various areas would go ape ****. In short, "A bomb" suitcase is nothing but paranoia (but that's already mentioned in thread, so i won't go into it again). |
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 17:29:43 -0400, Ron Natalie
wrote: Peter Clark wrote: On 11 May 2005 18:51:01 GMT, (Jay Masino) wrote: The latest report on WTOP (news station in DC) was that the aircraft WAS squawking the correct code, but that there was some sort of communications problem. I'm glad to see that everyone was so willing to jump on top of our brother pilots. The ADIZ procedures require immediate egress from the ADIZ upon lost comms through shortest-exit to the boundary. That restriction is only for lost TRANSPONDER capability. And of course it presumes that the pilot knows the transponder is out. K, I must have been confusing (or combining it) with another notam. You can't blame the whole ADIZ piece of **** on pilots. It took badgering the FAA for over a year to get them to chart the blasted thing for example. The TRACON and the other political entities are still having ****ing matches over operations (or else the Kentucky governor fiasco wouldn't have happened either). I'm not blaming the whole ADIZ fiasco on pilots, it's a ridiculous waste of energy to put on an ineffective show. But the area isn't an unknown any more, flying towards the prohibited airspace (unless they were vectored towards it?) contained within it isn't exactly smart even if you do have a transponder and 2way comms, and things like this make it more difficult on the people who want to but can't figure out how to get rid of it yet not have to admit it was the wrong thing to do in the first place. |
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("Arnold Sten" wrote)
[snip] This interview was just after some undersecretary for Homeland Security stated to Wolf Blitzer that a "small aircraft of this size can carry 0ne or Two THOUSAND pounds of explosives". Talk about your typical uneducated Washington Bureaucrat! I saw that on CNN too - ALERT ALERT. He said the plane itself would do little damage, but they do have a maximum capacity of up to 2,000 lbs. I knew what he was trying to get at - but I also heard how it came out. Then Wolf immediately says, 'the important thing is, we didn't know if they were carrying biological or chemical weapons in that little plane.' Montblack For the tough jobs, they always call in the minivans!! |
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Sport Pilot wrote:
Yes, it's silly for the gov't to scatter like hens when a Cessna approaches, but that's not the point. Not when its possible for a C150 to carry a small A bomb in a suitcase. With all this talk of A-bombs, I would like to say hello to all the government agents who are now reading this thread. HI GUYS! We're all good Americans here! |
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Ron Natalie wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote: AOPA or the like should help make examples of these pilots, in a big public way. "We won't tolerate ignorance among our own and suggest immediate revocation of their flying privileges". At first blush upon reading this I thought "How ridiculous!" However, the more I consider it, the more I think John is onto something here. If we, the pilot community, don't do something to make it apparent that these morons who keep busting the TFRs are NOT representative of the rest of us, nor do they reflect the predominant attitude of most pilots, nor do they reflect a general lack of intelligence shared by other pilots, I fear that the federal government is simply going to make the whole danged East Coast a no-fly zone. The ADIZ already encompasses an area with a population bigger than your entire state. Yeah, and there goes AOPA's efforts to reopen the DC3. |
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In article , "JohnH"
wrote: Yes, it's silly for the gov't to scatter like hens when a Cessna approaches, but that's not the point. well, it d--- well should be the point! -- Bob Noel no one likes an educated mule |
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Peter Clark wrote:
I'm not blaming the whole ADIZ fiasco on pilots, it's a ridiculous waste of energy to put on an ineffective show. But the area isn't an unknown any more, flying towards the prohibited airspace (unless they were vectored towards it?) contained within it isn't exactly smart even if you do have a transponder and 2way comms, and things like this make it more difficult on the people who want to but can't figure out how to get rid of it yet not have to admit it was the wrong thing to do in the first place. One of the local stations apparently interviewed the student pilot's wife (by phone). Apparently, he was well aware of the ADIZ and was worried about navigating around it (or through it with the proper squawk). It sounds to me like some kind of simple navigation problem that was allowed to expand to some level of disorientation. This is why a no-fly zone (enforced by deadly force) doesn't make any sense in a free society. Human beings make mistakes from time to time, and we're not living in the Soviet Union. --- Jay -- __!__ Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___ http://www2.ari.net/jmasino ! ! ! http://www.oceancityairport.com http://www.oc-adolfos.com |
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