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"Harry K" wrote in message ... There was a time about a year ago IIRC when usenet forums seemed to just drop dead. rec.autos.driving used to be a very active forum. It went from active to dead in about a week, just as this forum did at about the same time. Other forums not so much but stills show a decline. People using other media now? Harry K _________________ Harry, I think you may have broken the code. Take for example Bob Kuykendall's HP-24 project. He use to update his progress regularly on his website (http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24/) As you can see, there was a seven month laps between updates. However, I've been following his progress on Facebook. (http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/HP-...t/200931354951) and Brad's page. (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.p...0000118564546). Most likely what is occurring with the HP-24 is being replicated with other projects. I know it is even true on my website. (http://www.soaridaho.com) It seems that it is a lot easier to add pictures to a Facebook album (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...0588508&type=1) than update a webpage. The problem with Facebook is that by its' nature posting are limited to whom you have defined as "friends". Wayne |
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"Wayne Paul" wrote in message m... People using other media now? There are actually multiple reasons, not the least of which was ISP's such as AOL and WorldNet shutting down Usenet access to their customers. This happened about the same time that Google opened the door to spammers, and then looked the other way as the groups became flooded with spam. Vaughn |
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On Sep 21, 11:14 am, Richard wrote:
True enough, but this was, and could still be a viable forum. No, not as long as the insulting flamers have access to it. Lack of moderation allows a few nasty folks to destroy a group, and the decent people go to homebuiltairplanes.com Dan |
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Dan,
All the flames wars is the reason I left the list. At the time it seemed that you couldn't ask a question of any kind without being called an idiot. I came back a few weeks ago to see if the behavior still exists. What I found was inactivity. Wayne HP-14 N990 http://tinyurl.com/N990-6F "Dan Thomas" wrote in message ... On Sep 21, 11:14 am, Richard wrote: True enough, but this was, and could still be a viable forum. No, not as long as the insulting flamers have access to it. Lack moderation allows a few nasty folks to destroy a group, and the decent people go to homebuiltairplanes.com Dan |
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"Jeff R." wrote
Thanks Jim. Its a well-trodden path, with enthusiastic proponents on both sides. A- Well there you go. Since this site has been inactive, I had not gone elsewhere to see this discussed Slats seem to work great within a very narrow window, but with weight, drag, complexity and cost penalties. VGs seem (!) to do almost as well with little downside. It difficult to find a definitive answer. Each side seems too committed to their solution to be impartial. Sigghhh. I guess I keep looking for builders who've done it. Interesting. What does Chris have to say on the subject? (as if I need to askg.) Let us know what you find out. -- Jim in NC |
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"Wayne Paul" wrote
No, not as long as the insulting flamers have access to it. Lack moderation allows a few nasty folks to destroy a group, and the decent people go to homebuiltairplanes.com Dan A- How about a few of us start using this and see what happens? Perhaps some of the trolls have lost their easy access, and will leave us alone. -- Jim in NC |
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"Wayne Paul" wrote in message ... No, not as long as the insulting flamers have access to it. Lack moderation allows a few nasty folks to destroy a group, Flamers & trolls are basically attention seekers. Deny them the attention they seek, and they will eventually dry up and blow away. The problem (OK, the near-impossibility) is getting the entire group to "agree to ignore". Vaughn |
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BTW, I didn't make the statement listed below.
"vaughn" wrote in message ... "Wayne Paul" wrote in message ... No, not as long as the insulting flamers have access to it. Lack moderation allows a few nasty folks to destroy a group, Flamers & trolls are basically attention seekers. Deny them the attention they seek, and they will eventually dry up and blow away. The problem (OK, the near-impossibility) is getting the entire group to "agree to ignore". Vaughn |
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"Jeff R." wrote:
If you were interested in building a Zenith CH-701 (or similar), would you go for the leading edge wing slats(as designed), or dispense with them and use vortex generators instead? I believe that the original Savannah Aircraft kit was first released with leading slats, then they changed it to vortex generators because the latter provided all the benefits of the former with no loss of STOL performance. Here is an interesting web page describing tests done on Savannah: http://www.stolspeed.com/slats-v-s-vgs But the above is on a web site that appears to sell VGs. Here is what Chris Heintz thinks of VGs vs slats for his 701: http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/d...vg-design.html |
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"Jim Logajan" wrote in message ... "Jeff R." wrote: If you were interested in building a Zenith CH-701 (or similar), would you go for the leading edge wing slats(as designed), or dispense with them and use vortex generators instead? I believe that the original Savannah Aircraft kit was first released with leading slats, then they changed it to vortex generators because the latter provided all the benefits of the former with no loss of STOL performance. Here is an interesting web page describing tests done on Savannah: http://www.stolspeed.com/slats-v-s-vgs But the above is on a web site that appears to sell VGs. Here is what Chris Heintz thinks of VGs vs slats for his 701: http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/d...vg-design.html ....and that exactly demonstrates my dilemma. Neither is impartial. Who is right? I'm inclined to trust Chris Heintz, as the engineer/innovator, but at the same time he has (had - he's retired) a significant financial attachment to L.E. slats. Not just on the 701, but right up to th 850. On balance, I'm inclined to favour VGs (Piper Cub didn't need slats), but I'm put off Savannah just simply because of their unethical poaching of CH's designs. I plan to cut the first stringers in about a year from now. Maybe I could build retractable slats? (joke) -- Jeff R. |
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