If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
KJZI (Charleston Executive, S.C.) ILS RWY 9 DME Required
Hello,
I'm trying to figure out why the ILS or LOC Rwy 9 KJZI requires DME, per the notes. Any ideas? I don't see where any of the fixes can't be determined by dual VORs. Thanks, Padraig |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
KJZI (Charleston Executive, S.C.) ILS RWY 9 DME Required
On Mar 9, 8:31*pm, Padraig wrote:
Hello, I'm trying to figure out why the ILS or LOC Rwy 9 KJZI requires DME, per the notes. *Any ideas? *I don't see where any of the fixes can't be determined by dual VORs. Thanks, Padraig Sorry, here's the procedure. http://tiles.skyvector.com/sky/files...f/05354IL9.PDF |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
KJZI (Charleston Executive, S.C.) ILS RWY 9 DME Required
On Mar 9, 7:44*pm, Padraig wrote:
On Mar 9, 8:31*pm, Padraig wrote: Hello, I'm trying to figure out why the ILS or LOC Rwy 9 KJZI requires DME, per the notes. *Any ideas? *I don't see where any of the fixes can't be determined by dual VORs. Thanks, Padraig Sorry, here's the procedure. http://tiles.skyvector.com/sky/files...f/05354IL9.PDF Appears to me that HUKAG (MAP) is not defined by a VOR radial causing the need for DME from the outer marker to the middle marker. That would be my guess. |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
KJZI (Charleston Executive, S.C.) ILS RWY 9 DME Required
But that is also defined by time from FAF for the LOC, right? The
owner of the aircraft I tend to rent doesn't pay to keep his GPS database up to date, so /U doesn't work too well in a lot of places. On Mar 9, 8:54*pm, " wrote: Appears to me that HUKAG (MAP) is not defined by a VOR radial causing the need for DME from the outer marker to the middle marker. That would be my guess. |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
KJZI (Charleston Executive, S.C.) ILS RWY 9 DME Required
On Mar 9, 8:54*pm, Padraig wrote:
But that is also defined by time from FAF for the LOC, right? *The owner of the aircraft I tend to rent doesn't pay to keep his GPS database up to date, so /U doesn't work too well in a lot of places. I would think time would be part of it. Good headwind down the ILS and your time now has changed since timing is based on GS. Distance would be the constant that would confirm you have reached the middle marker (along with the marker beacon) should your actual time differ then what the chart projects on a no wind situation. ILS would be ground based, GPS would be informational only for DME purposes. I would load the approach in the GPS and accept the warning that it's for situational awareness as long as all the fixes matches what I have on paper. This is how I would run my shop if I was to do the approach. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
KJZI (Charleston Executive, S.C.) ILS RWY 9 DME Required
On Mar 9, 11:11*pm, " wrote:
On Mar 9, 8:54*pm, Padraig wrote: But that is also defined by time from FAF for the LOC, right? *The owner of the aircraft I tend to rent doesn't pay to keep his GPS database up to date, so /U doesn't work too well in a lot of places. I would think time would be part of it. Good headwind down the ILS and your time now has changed since timing is based on GS. *Distance would be the constant that would confirm you have reached the middle marker (along with the marker beacon) should your actual time differ then what the chart projects on a no wind situation. ILS would be ground based, GPS would be informational only for DME purposes. *I would load the approach in the GPS and accept the warning that it's for situational awareness as long as all the fixes matches what I have on paper. *This is how I would run my shop if I was to do the approach. Yes, the problem is technically speaking I can't accept the approach since it requires DME and I don't have it. If I had a legal GPS database, I could fly it legally. But either way, if I'm flying the ILS approach, the DH is the missed approach point. Once I hit that altitude and I'm on the glide slope, I'm at the MAP. So I don't need timing at all for the ILS, just if I were doing the localizer. Thanks, Padraig. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
KJZI (Charleston Executive, S.C.) ILS RWY 9 DME Required
On Mar 10, 9:42*pm, Padraig wrote:
*But either way, if I'm flying the ILS approach, the DH is the missed approach point. *Once I hit that altitude and I'm on the glide slope, I'm at the MAP. *So I don't need timing at all for the ILS, just if I were doing the localizer. We may have answered our own question talking this out. DME required for the LOC approach. Plate is for either ILS or LOC. No glide slope for a LOC appraoch :-) to determine DH. |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
KJZI (Charleston Executive, S.C.) ILS RWY 9 DME Required
|
#9
|
|||
|
|||
KJZI (Charleston Executive, S.C.) ILS RWY 9 DME Required
FDC 9/0694 - FI/T CHARLESTON EXECUTIVE, CHARLESTON, SC. ILS OR LOC RWY 9, AMDT 1A... RNAV (GPS) RWY 9, ORIG-A... RNAV (GPS) RWY 27, ORIG... PROCEDURE NA. WIE UNTIL UFN. CREATED: 18 SEP 17:55 2009 |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
KJZI (Charleston Executive, S.C.) ILS RWY 9 DME Required
On Mar 11, 5:10*pm, Sam Spade wrote:
No glide slope for a LOC appraoch :-) to determine DH. There is a timing table to determine the LOC MAP. But of course you do know that the timing table is based on GS. What if your GS was 68 knots Sam? DME is your ONLY source to ensure that you are at MAP along WITH timing. If you want to descend below MDA based on time alone AND no DME, I sure wouldn't want to fly with you. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Direct Air Executive BAe 125-800B @ Edinburgh | Drew Malcolm | Aviation Photos | 0 | August 18th 09 11:14 AM |
Neoconservatives have taken over the Executive Branch | NOMOREWARFORISRAEL[_2_] | Naval Aviation | 0 | October 8th 08 11:57 PM |
Boeing DreamLifter at the Charleston Air Show 4-26-08 | Jim Austin | Aviation Photos | 0 | April 27th 08 07:48 PM |
ELT Required for all SSA sanctioned contests starting 2006 ELT Required for all SSA sanctione | Steve Leonard | Soaring | 2 | September 14th 05 03:49 AM |
flying clubs in Charleston, SC | Guillermo | Piloting | 1 | June 22nd 05 02:50 PM |