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"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
... People have been raving about biodiesel, but guess what - biodiesel is 95% dead dinosaur and only 5% rape seed oil. Not in Llanelli. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...807299,00.html http://www.dawn.com/2002/10/22/int17.htm Paul |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:LAn9c.107772$1p.1537022@attbi_s54... Just wait until their lights and air conditioners start clicking off, one by one, however. THEN you will see how truly weak the anti-nuclear crowd is -- and nuclear power plants will start popping up all over the planet once again. Already happening in North Korea. They're short of electricity. They want oil. The US imposes sanctions on North Korea, restricting the amount of oil sold to them. North Korea hence builds a nuclear power station to try to make up a bit of the electricity shortfall. The US are really happy about that idea... Paul |
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"Paul Sengupta" wrote in message ... "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:LAn9c.107772$1p.1537022@attbi_s54... Just wait until their lights and air conditioners start clicking off, one by one, however. THEN you will see how truly weak the anti-nuclear crowd is -- and nuclear power plants will start popping up all over the planet once again. Already happening in North Korea. They're short of electricity. They want oil. The US imposes sanctions on North Korea, restricting the amount of oil sold to them. North Korea hence builds a nuclear power station to try to make up a bit of the electricity shortfall. The US are really happy about that idea... Hmmm...the United States GAVE North Korea, what, 500 million bbls of oil? How much of that went to their military? They gave them enormous quantities of food, the vast majority went, you guessed it, to the military. IIRC, Korea's nuclear capacity is NOT geared towards primarily electrical generation, but towards creating of bomb making material. |
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ...
I'd recommend (for simiplicities sake) "The Doomsday Myth": 10,000 Year of Economic Crisis" by Maurice & Smithson, and then some of the works of Julian Simon. I could offer long quotes, but I've NEVER found anyone embroiled in crisis-mongering that it could sink into (Alex, in this case possibly). And possibly not. I have a very superficial knowledge of the oil crisis; I was just stating that oil is not renewable. I will search for the book and read it if I find it. |
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Doug Carter wrote in message ...
Alex wrote: The primary images these people have to produce their perception of the U.S. is based on the beliefs portrayed by the likes of Michael Moore, Ludacris and Dan Rather. I don't think so. I, for one, get my impressions of the US from a lot of sources: news (both US and foreign), political analysts (both US and foreign), having been there, having friends and family there, and from direct experience of the effects of US intervention in my country. You disagree, but are exceptional in that you have been to the U.S. Direct experience is hard to come by and new You don't need to go to the US to see what the effect of the US foreign policy has been around the world. On the contrary, you need to get out of the US to see it. Within the US you may see only benefits. Outside of it, the story is quite different in most cases. analysts are clearly suspect because they most of them are very biased towards an ideology (pro or con) if not directly controlled by government. I wish everyone had more channels like CSPAN and more direct contact so we could form our own opinion. You can read between the lines. If you understand the bias in each media you have the elements to separate the truth from the propaganda. And if you read opposing media you get an even clearer picture. I am curious about the "effects of US intervention in my country." The U.S. has a macro track record of rebuilding and withdrawing from defeated countries (Marshall Plan) compared to Russia (Soviet Union). I presume there are exceptions, but is this a "glass half empty vs. half full" perception problem? You seem to speak about countries bombed by the US / Allies. I am speaking about countries where the US played behind the scenes and helped in the country's destruction, not of their buildings, but of their people. And being unofficial and behind the scenes, and there being no bombed buildings, there is no rebuilding involved. It's not even half empty. It's empty. Period. And I don't think I am fundamentaly different from millons over the world. There are billions of people in the world and I think you are over estimating the fraction of people who have the access you do. How many people have access to the internet and/or cable TV? Granted, not a big fraction of the world population, but still millons. |
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In article , Alex wrote:
The primary images these people have to produce their perception of the U.S. is based on the beliefs portrayed by the likes of Michael Moore, Ludacris and Dan Rather. I don't think so. I, for one, get my impressions of the US from a lot of sources: news (both US and foreign), political analysts (both US and foreign) And those of us who can get BBC Radio 4, let's not forget Alistair Cook's "Letter From America", which was a regular programme from 1946 until 2004. Sadly, Alistair Cook died this week. Letter from America was always very insightful. -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee" |
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Alex wrote:
You seem to speak about countries bombed by the US / Allies. I am speaking about countries where the US played behind the scenes and helped in the country's destruction, not of their buildings, but of their people. And being unofficial and behind the scenes, and there being no bombed buildings, there is no rebuilding involved. It's not even half empty. It's empty. Period. I was sort of hoping for specific cases with verifiable assertions of fact instead of vague demogarary. Direct U.S. foreign aid runs about $15-20b/year (before special accounts like Iraq). Unless the U.S. is endeavoring to destroy "most" countries out of pure malice then this wanton destruction would seem to be rather short sighted economics. |
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My perception is that you are used to such a nice living standard in
such a nice neighborhood, that you simply lost contact with the rest of the world, who usually suffers unjustly. (By "you" I also mean most americans, and by "neighborhood" I also mean the world). Well, I enjoy a nice standard of living, true enough. Although my yearly income is currently far less than that of an entry-level grade school teacher. But I got here by working since I was 13. This is now the third business I've started from scratch, and working 80 hour weeks is the norm, not the exception. The only thing that separates people like me from the rest of the world's population is the fact that America lets someone who works hard succeed -- period. THAT is what makes the United States the envy of the world. Work hard, be persistent, and success will likely follow. Right now I employ several excellent people who, had they made better choices in the past, would be working in higher-paying jobs. But they are *working* and succeeding, some are attending university classes to better themselves (and make themselves more employable) and eventually they will work their way up to a better, higher paying position, probably in another company. They haven't given up, and they -- unlike so many people I talk to and have interviewed -- do not feel that the world "owes" them a nice standard of living. In my experience, there are two types of failures. The first kind are involved with drugs and alcohol, or who suffer a mental illness. They are basket cases for a myriad of reasons, and I don't regard them as anything but sick people. The second group are folks who truly worry me. They are the ones who burn with resentment that "the Man" has denied them something, who portray themselves as "victims," and who feel "entitled" to a better life. In my experience, these are the same workers who routinely show up late, cheat on their timecards, steal and lie. Does this mean regular working people don't suffer occasional set-backs? Of course not. George, and millions just like him, will find work, eventually, and they will get on with their lives. And I've had more than my share of ups and downs, too. It's called "life"... And no one gets off of this planet alive. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination |
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Rob Perkins wrote in message . ..
(Alex) wrote: Let's see: 1 -- Not kill their own people (usually a conceded point) In Southamerica the US supported government killing of innocents in concentration camps without trials of any kind. They trained the local military and turned a blind eye to the tortures and killings. I don't know much about that, to be honest. But it doesn't sound like the stated policies of any administration in the last 20 years, let alone the normative American approach to things. Of course it never was the "stated policies" of any administration. But the documents have been declasified, so it's more that just a theory. Yes, it happened more than 20 years ago, but the effects of it are still shaking southamerican societies. Today the US foreign policy is more bold and blunt, but I don't think its moral quality has improved. I'm afraid you'll have to prove this one with a bit more than something like the shrill content of "FSTV". Rob, honestly. Just because you ignore something doesn't mean I have to prove it to you. Search for the information yourself. For example, do the following search in google: ["Plan Condor" "CIA"] THere 4 -- Trade with Americans. Only Chile has a trade agreement with the US, and that's decades after they defeated the US-puppet Pinochet. What? I thought we'd extended NAFTA to South America, and joined GATT and the WTO... We've been buying Mexican and Venezuelan oil for decades, etc, etc, etc... Ok, I was talking about southamerican countries where the US installed dictatorships. Trade was not the motivation and the current lack of trade agreements in those countries proves it. Rob, you have watched too many Hollywood movies. Doesn't follow. I'm more unique than virtually every American in the respect that I've actually lived overseas. South America is overseas? |
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