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On 8/23/04 2:55 AM, in article
.net, "Gene Whitt" wrote: Wiz et al, Tried to post to the ifr group but it won't take my post because it's new. What to do? Gene. I'm seeing your posts Gene. Maybe you could post to piloting or student with my name in the subject line? -- Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic www.wizardofdraws.com www.cartoonclipart.com |
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"john smith" wrote in message ... Wizard of Draws wrote: Going home, it was pretty much the same song, played backwards. But instead of picking up our clearance in the air, we made the small mistake of waiting for it on the ground. We waited almost 10 minutes at the hold line with the Hobbs turning like a dervish, and were just about to call and say we'd be departing VFR and pick up the clearance later, when they called us. Lesson learned. But all in all, one of the most fun flights I've had in a long time and a big confidence builder. Why not just accept the clearance and request a VFR departure? You are on an IFR flight plan, you are just accepting responsibility for separation on the takeoff and departure. After the conflicting traffic is clear, the flight becomes normal IFR. I'm not sure what you mean here, could you elaborate? He was waiting for his clearance. Are you saying that earlier, when he requested his clearance he could have said "N123, ifr to XYZ, request VFR departure"? If so, how would ATC have replied to that request? Though I've taken off VFR and picked up my IFR clearance in the air before, I'm not familiar with this protocol of requesting it before taking off... Thanks, John Clonts Temple, Texas N7NZ |
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Going home, it was pretty much the same song, played backwards. But instead of picking up our clearance in the air, we made the small mistake of waiting for it on the ground. We waited almost 10 minutes at the hold line with the Hobbs turning like a dervish, and were just about to call and say we'd be departing VFR and pick up the clearance later, when they called us. Lesson learned. But all in all, one of the most fun flights I've had in a long time and a big confidence builder. Why not just accept the clearance and request a VFR departure? You are on an IFR flight plan, you are just accepting responsibility for separation on the takeoff and departure. After the conflicting traffic is clear, the flight becomes normal IFR. I've heard of VFR climbs and VFR descents while on an instrument flight plan, but VFR departure is a new one on me. Is that published nomenclature, or something you made up? |
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The problem I experience with void times is that when you want one so does everyone else. So you get the "all briefers are busy" and wait and wait and wait. Maybe I'm not doing it right. I call FSS and get the void time from them after they get it from ???. Is there a better way? Where I live, there's a clearance delivery phone number that's different from the WX-BRIEF number. Not sure that's true everywhere, though. Never had the "all briefers are busy" message on the clearance delivery line. |
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Dave Butler wrote:
I've heard of VFR climbs and VFR descents while on an instrument flight plan, but VFR departure is a new one on me. Is that published nomenclature, or something you made up? I typed the text from the new Instrument Procedures Handbook FAA-H-8261-1), page 2-32, last night and posted it. It doesn't seem to have come through. I will retype it later today and try posting it again. |
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john smith wrote:
Dave Butler wrote: I've heard of VFR climbs and VFR descents while on an instrument flight plan, but VFR departure is a new one on me. Is that published nomenclature, or something you made up? I typed the text from the new Instrument Procedures Handbook FAA-H-8261-1), page 2-32, last night and posted it. It doesn't seem to have come through. I will retype it later today and try posting it again. I saw that. You posted it on a different thread. The description talks about departing VFR and then picking up a clearance after you depart, which I undertand. Your posting said: "Why not just accept the clearance and request a VFR departure? You are on an IFR flight plan, you are just accepting responsibility for separation on the takeoff and departure. After the conflicting traffic is clear, the flight becomes normal IFR." AFAIK there is no term "VFR departure" that means what you said. Dave |
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Dave Butler wrote: AFAIK there is no term "VFR departure" that means what you said. He meant VFR climb. That makes you responsible for terrain and possibly traffic. This is very common out here in the West to expedite getting on course, you don't have to follow a cumbersome DP to clear terrain. |
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Newps wrote:
Dave Butler wrote: AFAIK there is no term "VFR departure" that means what you said. He meant VFR climb. That makes you responsible for terrain and possibly traffic. This is very common out here in the West to expedite getting on course, you don't have to follow a cumbersome DP to clear terrain. OK. VFR climb I am familiar with. I've never seen it used when issued a clearance prior to takeoff, though. Must be a regional thing. I can see where it could be convenient where terrain is an issue. DGB |
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