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rough running C-182
Can anyone suggest a cause for a slight roughness in a well maintained O-470
(1958 C-182). The mechanic has checked both mags and harness wires and plugs, installed a rebuild carb and balanced the prop (which required very little correction). In flight checks of carb heat, mags and unlocking the primer pump all show no effect. Roughness appears above 20" MP at any RPM. Engine mount checks ok. Any suggestions would be welcome. R Kyle |
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induction leak. If it has a manifold pressure gauge check the sensor
line. It may be broken. Michelle R&A Kyle wrote: Can anyone suggest a cause for a slight roughness in a well maintained O-470 (1958 C-182). The mechanic has checked both mags and harness wires and plugs, installed a rebuild carb and balanced the prop (which required very little correction). In flight checks of carb heat, mags and unlocking the primer pump all show no effect. Roughness appears above 20" MP at any RPM. Engine mount checks ok. Any suggestions would be welcome. R Kyle -- Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P "Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike) Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity |
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"R&A Kyle" wrote in message news:1HCkd.12833$z_4.9667@trnddc07...
Can anyone suggest a cause for a slight roughness in a well maintained O-470 (1958 C-182). The mechanic has checked both mags and harness wires and plugs, installed a rebuild carb and balanced the prop (which required very little correction). In flight checks of carb heat, mags and unlocking the primer pump all show no effect. Roughness appears above 20" MP at any RPM. Engine mount checks ok. Any suggestions would be welcome. R Kyle Plugs are worth checking again. We've had lots of trouble with Champs in the past, and went to Auburn/Unison plugs years ago because they were so much better. Now we're finding the Unisons arcing in the shield barrel when the pressure reaches 120 or so, and the spark weakens sooner and causes roughness at climb or cruise settings. A month ago I installed a full new set in one of our airplanes and the roughness cleared up immediately. Dan |
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Possibly a cam lobe has worn nearly flat? I heard of an O-320H2AD
that did that. It would idle but not produce power. |
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A spark plug that is broken internally will cause this at high power
settings. Find a spark plug tester that uses air pressure and fires the plugs under pressure to test the plugs. A bad plug wire or a mag that is arcing internally will also cause a problem. A quick mag bearing check is to do a mag check at idle rpm. If the RPM drops are not the same and it is rough then the mag bearings are loose and the rotor is flopping around changing the timing. John On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:23:09 GMT, "R&A Kyle" wrote: Can anyone suggest a cause for a slight roughness in a well maintained O-470 (1958 C-182). The mechanic has checked both mags and harness wires and plugs, installed a rebuild carb and balanced the prop (which required very little correction). In flight checks of carb heat, mags and unlocking the primer pump all show no effect. Roughness appears above 20" MP at any RPM. Engine mount checks ok. Any suggestions would be welcome. R Kyle |
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Bela P. Havasreti wrote in message ...
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:43:34 -0500, Ron Rosenfeld wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:16:35 GMT, (John_F) wrote: A spark plug that is broken internally will cause this at high power settings. Find a spark plug tester that uses air pressure and fires the plugs under pressure to test the plugs. I've had bad plugs that have passed that test. I think a problem is that the pressure in those testers is only a fraction of the pressure that exists in the cylinder. But it is a place to start. The problem was rough running. The affected cylinder and plug was determined by a multi-probe EGT and running on single-mag. The plug passed the 'test' in the box. But the engine ran properly after that plug was replaced. Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA) Ditto. Those air pressurized testers/cleaners can't begin to adequately emulate the actual pressure/heat a sparkplug is subject to while the engine is making 70% (or whatever) power at cruise. I had a plug that would go off line intermittently, but with a 6-cyl Continental, all I noticed was a slight drop in RPM @ cruise. Bela P. Havasreti Typical compression pressures are what the plug has to deal with, though at elevated temps, as you say. An 8:1 compression ratio will produce 120 psi or so at TDC, and that's where we test our plugs and often find them failing at that point. Even if it's only one plug in a cylinder that's missing, roughness will show in many engines. If the engine data specifies mags timed at two different angles, the later-timed plug may not fire because the cylinder pressure is already higher, with combustion underway. Dan |
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How are you perceiving the roughness?
How you know the engine mounts are OK? Kent Felkins Tulsa "R&A Kyle" wrote in message news:1HCkd.12833$z_4.9667@trnddc07... Can anyone suggest a cause for a slight roughness in a well maintained O-470 (1958 C-182). The mechanic has checked both mags and harness wires and plugs, installed a rebuild carb and balanced the prop (which required very little correction). In flight checks of carb heat, mags and unlocking the primer pump all show no effect. Roughness appears above 20" MP at any RPM. Engine mount checks ok. Any suggestions would be welcome. R Kyle |
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First, thanks for all these comments. The roughness is enough to cause a
low level of vibration in the airframe; not enough to terminate the flight, but the needles do dance. Another IA, not familiar with this plane, made a short flight and agreed. The roughness is not steady, but rather comes in waves, 3 or 4 seconds of rough followed by a slightly shorter interval of somewhat smoother operation. (I realize this is very subjective.) We systematically changed mix, MP, RPM, carb heat, mags and primer pump (lock/unlock). Roughness appears only above 20 in MP. No correlation with other inputs. "Fly" wrote in message ... How are you perceiving the roughness? How you know the engine mounts are OK? Kent Felkins Tulsa "R&A Kyle" wrote in message news:1HCkd.12833$z_4.9667@trnddc07... Can anyone suggest a cause for a slight roughness in a well maintained O-470 (1958 C-182). The mechanic has checked both mags and harness wires and plugs, installed a rebuild carb and balanced the prop (which required very little correction). In flight checks of carb heat, mags and unlocking the primer pump all show no effect. Roughness appears above 20" MP at any RPM. Engine mount checks ok. Any suggestions would be welcome. R Kyle |
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