Gross Weight

Bob Gardner wrote:

You'll never convince the FAA that anything over gross is
legitimate (unless you are in Alaska).

Isn't there some type of "over gross" FAA waiver for which one can apply
when ferrying an aircraft?

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Peter


















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Because I asked a question? That is what discussion groups are for. Asking
questions, and learning......

Fred


"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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Watch the Focking Rats That Hang Around Here!! You may get an unexpected
call from the Fed's!!!

"Fred Choate" wrote in message
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Here is a topic that was of discussion at work today:

How much is too much over gross weight? For example.....the 172 has a
gross
weight of 2300 lbs, but what if you are 2345 at time of takeoff.....is
that
too much over, even if you are going to be burning enough fuel before
your
first scheduled stop to be under weight for landing?

What about airframe age, prop age...etc? Does it make a difference on
decision to "carry a little extra"?

I know that when I was receiving training, my instructor once had me
bring
2
male adults with me to a lesson. That put 4 male adults in a 172 with
full
fuel. I don't recall the specific weight we were at, but we were over
weight. The airport we flying out of had 8000' of runway, and my
instructor
had me doing pattern work. The aircraft was very clumsy, and made me
really
work at flying it. I didn't like that feeling at all! It was a good
training day.

Anyway, it was a good discussion between a few of us at work, so I
thought
it might make a good topic here.

Fred

NW_PILOT wrote:

Watch the Focking Rats That Hang Around Here!! You may get an unexpected
call from the Fed's!!!

You got called for rolling your C150?

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Peter


















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Fred Choate wrote:
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I chatted with an instructor down at my FBO after my discussion at work, and
his spin was "once you go over the max weight, you are essentially a test
pilot".
I'm met a few USAF test pilots. None of them ever talked about flying
over max weight.

"Fred Choate" wrote

How much is too much over gross weight?

Terminology...terminology...terminology :-)

Where did you guys pick up the term "gross weight" with
regard to aircraft operating limitations? The FAA sure
doesn't use it and I understand it to mean what ever the
airplane weighs at some particular time.

From Part 23:

Section 23.3: Airplane categories.
(a) The normal category is limited to airplanes that have
a seating configuration, excluding pilot seats, of nine
or less, a maximum certificated takeoff weight of 12,500
pounds or less,

Section 23.25: Weight limits.
(a) Maximum weight. The maximum weight is the highest weight
at which compliance with each applicable requirement of this
part (other than those complied with at the design landing
weight) is shown. The maximum weight must be established so
that it is—

Note the use of "Maximum Certificated Takeoff Weight" and
"maximum weight".

At some airlines, I have seen references to "Maximum Gross
Weight" and "Actual Gross Weight", but never just Gross Weight
meaning a certificate limit.

Bob Moore

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Fred,

"once you go over the max weight, you are essentially a test
pilot".


As Bob pointed out, you are also illegal and not covered by insurance.

If the insurance part is true you need to get a real insurance policy.

Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Bob Gardner wrote:

You'll never convince the FAA that anything over gross is
legitimate (unless you are in Alaska).

Isn't there some type of "over gross" FAA waiver for which one can apply
when ferrying an aircraft?

--
Peter

Yes, and not just for ferry flights.

Do any of you "slippery slope" gentlemen ever exceed the speed limit on
the way to the airport? If so, do you feel that this makes you more
likely to drink and drive? Or to drive a vehicle without insurance? If
not, why not? Why does the slippery slope argument apply to gross
weight, but not to speed limits?

How much is too much over gross weight? For example.....the 172 has a gross
weight of 2300 lbs, but what if you are 2345 at time of takeoff.....is that
too much over

Imagine an answer, and then ask how much =beyond= that answer is "too much"?

My answer is that anything over book is too much. It nibbles away at
flight regimes that you might need, and discover too late that you are in.

Jose
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"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Fred,

"once you go over the max weight, you are essentially a test
pilot".


As Bob pointed out, you are also illegal and not covered by insurance.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

That is NOT true. If you're insured, you're insured. Just as you're
insured driving your car even if you've got 3x the legal alchohol limit in
your system...

KB

Not true. Car insurance is different, at least in the state of California.
There can be no exclusions the insurer has to pay, a plane is different,
they can and will void your claim if they can find a way.