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Why is a picture ID opposed for voting?
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, columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote: On Aug 12, 1:13*pm, wrote:" you have zero knowledge, like how polling places work." "S.F. poll worker sentenced for stealing ballots" he was found the next day at his home with "multipage ballots, the voter roster, a memory card that recorded the votes cast, a voting machine access key and a poll worker's cell phone, police said." http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...r-stealing-bal lots-2333835.php " S.F. poll worker sentenced for stealing ballots He had with him multipage ballots, the voter roster, a memory card that recorded the votes cast, a voting machine access key and a poll worker's cell phone, police said. Nicholas was arrested at his home in the Ingleside early the next morning, and about 75 ballots were found in the lagoon two days after election day. He pleaded guilty in December to unlawfully carrying away or destroying a poll list and ballots, in violation of the state elections code" http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan...tion/na-ohio25 Ohio poll workers convicted January 25, 2007|From the Associated Press CLEVELAND ‹ Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough review in Ohio's most populous county. Jacqueline Maiden, elections coordinator of the Cuyahoga County Elections Board, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer each were convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct by an elections employee. They also were convicted of one misdemeanor count each of failure to perform their duty as elections employees." Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials! I'm sure that they were opposed to positive voter ID, too. |
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Why is a picture ID opposed for voting?
On Aug 12, 1:56*pm, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:" Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials" Non relevant reply noted, as my link establishes the fact the polling place is not as secure as some would like to think. Now please cite your non-relevant assertion if you want it to be taken seriously, as the secretary of state from ohio between 1999-2007 was a republican J. Kenneth Blackwell, appointment of county board elections officials falls under his discretion. http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan...tion/na-ohio25 Ohio poll workers convicted January 25, 2007|From the Associated Press CLEVELAND — Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough review in Ohio's most populous county. Jacqueline Maiden, elections coordinator of the Cuyahoga County Elections Board, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer each were convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct by an elections employee. They also were convicted of one misdemeanor count each of failure to perform their duty as elections employees." |
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Why is a picture ID opposed for voting?
In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote:
On Aug 12, 1:13Â*pm, wrote:" you have zero knowledge, like how polling places work." "S.F. poll worker sentenced for stealing ballots" he was found the next day at his home with "multipage ballots, the voter roster, a memory card that recorded the votes cast, a voting machine access key and a poll worker's cell phone, police said." Good lord, you are a scatter brained idiot. Neither of your stories has anything to do with identity theft, one story has nothing to do with polling places, and the remaining story illustrates just how hard it is to get away with any funny business in a polling place. |
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Why is a picture ID opposed for voting?
In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote:
On Aug 12, 1:56Â*pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote:" Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials" Non relevant reply noted, as my link establishes the fact the polling place is not as secure as some would like to think. Now please cite your non-relevant assertion if you want it to be taken seriously, as the secretary of state from ohio between 1999-2007 was a republican J. Kenneth Blackwell, appointment of county board elections officials falls under his discretion. http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan...tion/na-ohio25 Ohio poll workers convicted January 25, 2007|From the Associated Press CLEVELAND — Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough review in Ohio's most populous county. Jacqueline Maiden, elections coordinator of the Cuyahoga County Elections Board, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer each were convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct by an elections employee. They also were convicted of one misdemeanor count each of failure to perform their duty as elections employees." This has nothing to do with identity theft and nothing to do with polling places. The crimes occured days after the election was over. You are a scatter brained idiot. |
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OT Why is a picture ID opposed for voting?
In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote:
On Aug 12, 10:16Â*am, wrote:"In addition, there are monitors in the room to ensure everyone is doing what they are supposed to be doing. This scenario is just as unrealistic as being able to copy voter information in the polling place." Whats unrealistic is your false sense of security, ohio went to bush in 2004. http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan...tion/na-ohio25 How many times do you have to be told that this has nothing to do with identity theft and nothing to do with polling places? This crime occured days after the election and had to do with cherry picking votes in an attempt to influence a recount. You are a scatter brained idiot. |
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OT Why is a picture ID opposed for voting?
On Aug 12, 2:58*pm, wrote:How many times do
you have to be told that this has nothing to do with identity theft and nothing to do with polling places?" your fallacies are not my follies, you say that bs above all you want, but the only one you are fooling is yourself. Mandating that a voter show a picture id (driver’s license being the most common) reveals, name, date of birth, address, driver’s license # (if card is used), at a place where the voters name and address are found on a printed list. You are creating a focal point for personal information, a potential situation for a person/group of people to stealn formation, based on a mandate that all walk in voters share personal information. That focal point is a place where close to 70% of the total voting population will be revealing their personal information in a 1-day window. The total popular vote for president in 2008 was just under 130 million, the state of Missouri’s poll worker instruction manual boasts about its 20,000 poll workers. That’s quite an opportunity you are creating for lots of money to be stolen (unintended consequences), based on the ideal of creating a 100% clean election. Absentee ballots are subject to tampering, so to increase mail in ballots would not assure a clean election, which means your so called solution is nothing more than a dodge, in an effort to make walk in voting 100% clean, you just skipped over the other option, which is not 100% clean. You did this by using with the statement. Everything is subject to tampering and that is an entirely separate issue.” which is an illogical fallacy, based on the fact you are trying to clean up the election process. Such poor logic on your part begs the question as to why you think the poll volunteer vetting process is not subject to flaws/mistakes/misses/tampering. In fact when pushed your only assurance that identity theft will not occur at the polling place is that "anal little old ladies" are on duty, which is pure idiocy on your part. Identity theft protection includes shredding waste that contains important information so people who go through a households *TRASH*, have a harder time stealing your identity. The typical household waste contains food/dog/cat/toiletries along with the personal information we are told to shred, this sits and stews a week before it goes to the curb. With today’s cell phone cameras, one only needs a press of a button to capture an image of the voter roll (address and voters name), and a good memory for numbers when inspecting the photo id, to gather such crucial personal information. So if people are willing to go through a person’s week |
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OT Why is a picture ID opposed for voting?
In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote:
On Aug 12, 2:58Â*pm, wrote:How many times do you have to be told that this has nothing to do with identity theft and nothing to do with polling places?" your fallacies are not my follies, you say that bs above all you want, but the only one you are fooling is yourself. Babbling gibberish. Mandating that a voter show a picture id (driver’s license being the most common) reveals, name, date of birth, address, driver’s license # (if card is used), at a place where the voters name and address are found on a printed list. Yep, we have agreed to that so why do you keep repeating it like a babbling idiot? However, there is no realistic way that mass identity theft can occur at a polling place, all your links show how difficult it is to perform any sort of mischief related to voting, and you have no realistic scenario of how such identity theft could possibly occur. You just keep arm waving and posting links with nothing to do with identity theft. |
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OT Why is a picture ID opposed for voting?
On Aug 12, 1:56*pm, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:" Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials! I'm sure that they were opposed to positive voter ID, too." still waiting for the proof of who was a democrat. Im curious, did you make a knee jerk assumption as to what part the criminals came from? |
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OT Why is a picture ID opposed for voting?
In article
, columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote: On Aug 12, 1:56*pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote:" Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials! I'm sure that they were opposed to positive voter ID, too." still waiting for the proof of who was a democrat. Im curious, did you make a knee jerk assumption as to what part the criminals came from? As a 19th Century politician remarked: "I don't say that all Democrats are horse thieves, but I DO say that all horse thieves are Democrat!" Those areas which you cited are Democrat-controlled, so the officials HAD to be Democrats. BTW -- I id poll watcher duty yesterday here in FL, where we practice voter ID. The voter walks up to the official, who slides the driver's license through a scanner, which is tied to the Registrar and verifies ID, after the official checks the photo. The voter then signs an electronic signature (similar to the CC setup in supermarkets). The official then hands a ballot to the person, who then votes. Amazingly, the signature looks like your real signature, unlike the supermarket scanners. The process works very smoothly and more efficiently than the old paper lists. If somebody had receives an absentee ballot, the clerk called the Registrar to cancel the voter's absentee and allowed the voter to vote. Only one fool grumped about ID theft. |
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OT Why is a picture ID opposed for voting?
On Aug 15, 8:51*am, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article , *columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote: On Aug 12, 1:56 pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote:" Isn't it amazing that those were DEMOCRAT officials! I'm sure that they *were opposed to positive voter ID, too." still waiting for the proof of who was a democrat. *Im curious, did you make a knee jerk assumption as to what part the criminals came from? As a 19th Century politician remarked: "I don't say that all Democrats are horse thieves, but I DO say that all horse thieves are Democrat!" Those areas which you cited are Democrat-controlled, so the officials HAD to be Democrats. False assumption, in fact the secretary of state who approved a county official that spoke in favor of the accused is now running a conservative superpac. No proof on your part noted. BTW -- I id poll watcher duty yesterday here in FL, where we practice voter ID. The voter walks up to the official, who slides the driver's license through a scanner, which is tied to the Registrar and verifies ID, after the official checks the photo. The voter then signs an electronic signature (similar to the CC setup in supermarkets). The official then hands a ballot to the person, who then votes. Good job, so are you able to keep your idiotic assertions away from the polling place, as you seem to think you can act any way you want here? Are you claiming no id theft can occur when a person takes your card for scanning? Amazingly, the signature looks like your real signature, unlike the supermarket scanners. The process works very smoothly and more efficiently than the old paper lists. If somebody had receives an absentee ballot, the clerk called the Registrar to cancel the voter's absentee and allowed the voter to vote. Only one fool grumped about ID theft. |
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