Cross Country the main focus of soaring?

"Bill Daniels" wrote in message
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For example:

1. Keep the dead wood cleared by requiring that every officer and board
member will have flown every glider as in the club fleet solo within the
preceding 12 months. Failure to do so will be considered a letter of
resignation. (This, at least, proves they CAN fly. It also requires that
an instructor certify them competent in the club fleet.)

Whether the officials have or not current flying qualification doesn't
necessarily correlate the way the club is operated.

Our president has flown alone in sixties after which he had to end because
of health reasons and our secretary haven't ever had a license, as a matter
of fact he just happened to come and see a competition we had and after
seeing him there for three days a row our president just asked if he might
as well participate in the competition organisation.

Neither has ever been any hinder to anybodys flying, were it cross-country
or not. As a matter of fact, I normally call him before going cross-country
and ask, if he can come to rescue me in case of outlanding

So, I'd oppose this rule as an absolute rule. I also know about some clubs
headed by "current" pilots that basically look after their own flying and
even erstrict others to have the club ship available and not broken...

As a summary: it depends

hannu

mat Redsell wrote:
Thanks for all of the good responses to my original quesiton on Cross
Country... unfortunately the board members have decided to eject me from the
club if I partipate any more in this discussion online.

Please send me personal emails in future.

-mat



Welcome to the club I'm already ejected from a club mainly because I
wrote about the strange internal affairs of that club on the net...
Now I'm a happy member of another club (and a third one also)! Feel
free to move on!
My previous club also forced our planes (new club's) out of the hangar
in middle of winter (I suspect partly because I joined that club). Of
course I created a "nice" page with full of pictures (empty hangar
opposite the wet place where we had to store our gliders...) and we were
allowed to move back. Don't underestimate the power of publicity
It's sad...

/Janos

....An airport is a public use
airport, an airfield or airstrip is not public use but
is intended for aircraft, and an "outlanding" is anything
that isn't an airport or airstrip.

I once landed a glider on a sod farm that was smoother and at least as
level as the field I took off from. Does that count? :-)

Tony V.

"Bert Willing" wrote in message ...
Landing on an airfield is not outlanding. What we refer to as outlanding
typically in Europe is 1000ft (if lucky) of unknown pasture.

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Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


For me a landout, or outlanding, is any landing that was not at the
intended goal. I log both landouts and off airport landouts. Over
90% of my flying is contests so any time I don't make it back to the
finish gate I landed out. The only exception to that is if I land at
the contest site without completing the task. I don't consider that a
landout.

Non-contest pilots may have a different perspective

Andy

Tony Verhulst wrote:

....An airport is a public use
airport, an airfield or airstrip is not public use but
is intended for aircraft, and an "outlanding" is anything
that isn't an airport or airstrip.


I once landed a glider on a sod farm that was smoother and at least as
level as the field I took off from. Does that count? :-)

Sure! I say any field not examined and selected in advance counts as an
outlanding.

In our area, the farm fields are typically a mile square, soft powdery
dirt, and safer to land on than a runway. Why? You can always land into
the wind, there is no other traffic, and forgetting to lower your gear
doesn't result in any damage. It IS very inconvenient, however.

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Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

Now I'm a happy member of another club (and a third one also)! Feel
free to move on!

/Janos

I'm was extremely pleased with the first club I joined mainly
perhaps because I spent a lot of time researching what
club to join.

Yes, my main club is 100nm and a 3 hour drive from my house,
but I wanted a low key club with few restrictions, very available gliders,
low cost, and encouraging for X-C.

There was another option closer, but I didn't see a benefit
for me at the time of the higher cost, lower availability,
closer location, nicer aircraft.

I'm fortunate to have three outstanding (each in their own way)
glider clubs and one commercial operator within 100nm.
I chose one because it suited my X-C desires more closely,
and I was able to be part of a wonderful sub-group in that
club.

For those who are having trouble, I hope you've shopped around a bit,
and perhaps accepted the idea that you may need to drive
a bit further away to find an atmosphere that is compatible...
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Mark J. Boyd

Mark James Boyd wrote:

There was another option closer, but I didn't see a benefit
for me at the time of the higher cost, lower availability,
closer location, nicer aircraft.

I learned that low cost often means: no parachute, no fuel for tow
plane or winch, no instrument, no trailer, no tow vehicle, no spare
parts etc-etc. When I suggested to increase the membership fees
suddenly became an enemy of the members...
I also visit a commercial operator and it's good to get what you pay
for. Of course they can't provide the same feeling of a self serving
club, but could be a good extension. All sailplanes equipped with good
instruments, new parachute, logger. You can fly high performance
gliders, even Discus2!

/Janos

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Janos Bauer wrote:
Mark James Boyd wrote:

There was another option closer, but I didn't see a benefit
for me at the time of the higher cost, lower availability,
closer location, nicer aircraft.

I learned that low cost often means: no parachute, no fuel for tow
plane or winch, no instrument, no trailer, no tow vehicle, no spare
parts etc-etc. When I suggested to increase the membership fees
suddenly became an enemy of the members...

Absolutely correct. Higher cost = more stuff. It sounds like your club
is at the low cost/minimal features price point.

I also visit a commercial operator and it's good to get what you pay
for. Of course they can't provide the same feeling of a self serving
club, but could be a good extension. All sailplanes equipped with good
instruments, new parachute, logger. You can fly high performance
gliders, even Discus2!

Yes, this is true here as well. And just like going to the Spa instead
of bathing in my own tub, I occasionally pay a bit more and
enjoy the luxuries.


/Janos


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Mark J. Boyd